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Post by reshacker on Apr 2, 2018 22:19:02 GMT
Another anomaly?
Normally this works:
1. Select an area with the Marquee Tool. 2. Hit an arrow key to move the selection marquee box around to reposition it.
But sometimes it fails to work at all in 2018. I have to save, close and reopen PSE to get it to work again. |
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Post by Major Major on Apr 2, 2018 22:26:33 GMT
Are you sure you have the move tool selected when you try it?
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Post by Sepiana on Apr 2, 2018 22:37:16 GMT
Craig, good point! I believe you hit the nail on the head.
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Post by Bailey on Apr 3, 2018 2:02:11 GMT
Another anomaly?
Normally this works:
1. Select an area with the Marquee Tool. 2. Hit an arrow key to move the selection marquee box around to reposition it.
But sometimes it fails to work at all in 2018. I have to save, close and reopen PSE to get it to work again. Hi reshaker, I rarely, but often enough to recall that it has happened, see exactly the same thing in my PSE 14. When it happened the first time, I checked if it was a memory problem in the Windows Task manager (Win 7) and saw that only about 9GB of the available 16GB RAM was being used. So I doubt that was the problem On the rare occasions it happens, the only thing that I can think of that the occasions have in common is that either I have a large number of images open in the editor and/or I have just finished doing some heavy processing like stitching 8 or 9 portrait orientation images into a panorama or something similar. I may be wrong but I just put the cause of the nudging not working down to some sort of buffering issue in pse. It's a bit of a nuisance when it happens but the workaround I use is the same as you - close PSE and re-open with just what I need to work on and the nudging then always works fine. fwiw, again on rare occasions the use of the square brackets ([]) to resize brushes doesn't work. I put the cause down to the same as the above. The workaround I use is to adjust the size using the slider. I can't recall the above symptoms ever happening when I have a single or just 2 or 3 images open at a time. |
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Post by Bailey on Apr 3, 2018 2:19:57 GMT
Are you sure you have the move tool selected when you try it? Craig, good point! I believe you hit the nail on the head. In my PSE 14 you don't need the Move tool active if all you want to do is nudge the selection's marching ants (selection marquee box) without affecting the image at all. If the Move Tool is selected, the arrow keys will (in my PSE 14 at least) cause the image to be cut within the selection and nudged to the new location (similar to cutting and pasting the selection to another location). If the Move tool is not selected, the arrow keys simply nudge the selection box up/down/left/right Do the nudging and the Move tool work differently in PSE 14 and 2018? I would be surprised if they did. |
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Post by reshacker on Apr 3, 2018 10:08:28 GMT
Thanks guys! bailey... YOU hit the nail, I think! Not sure what the rest were hitting, maybe my thumb.  
I doubt the Marquee/nudge functions have ever changed, being so basic. It doesn't happen very often here but like you it maybe when I have 10 or more images open. They're small but some have 10+ layers and several Style Effects.
I also have several other programs running at the same time. Even 16 GB of ram may not be enough for all that and whatever's running in the background.
I'll have to see if it's not happening with only 1 to 3 images open and try to limit to that. |
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Post by Lillias on Apr 3, 2018 10:35:38 GMT
fwiw, again on rare occasions the use of the square brackets ([]) to resize brushes doesn't work. I put the cause down to the same as the above. When that happens with me the first thing I check is to see whether my caps lock key is on and if it is I turn it off. If that isn’t the problem then instead of closing PSE I go to the middle of the 3 little icons bottom right of the workspace and clicking on that I choose ‘Reset All Tools’ and that usually fixes things until the next time. |
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Post by Bailey on Apr 3, 2018 10:54:59 GMT
Thank you BillieJean, I will certainly try that as the first option the next time it happens. Hopefully resetting all the tools or just the appropriate individual problematic tool will fix the nudging issue as well  But it would be nice to know for sure why it happens in the first place. I am just assuming its some sort of internal buffering issue or something inside PSE has got itself into a bit of a knot. |
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Post by Bailey on Apr 3, 2018 10:59:23 GMT
Thanks guys! bailey... YOU hit the nail, I think! Not sure what the rest were hitting, maybe my thumb.
I doubt the Marquee/nudge functions have ever changed, being so basic. It doesn't happen very often here but like you it maybe when I have 10 or more images open. They're small but some have 10+ layers and several Style Effects.
I also have several other programs running at the same time. Even 16 GB of ram may not be enough for all that and whatever's running in the background.
I'll have to see if it's not happening with only 1 to 3 images open and try to limit to that. No problem reshaker. I hope your thumb is not too sore I will definitely try BillieJean's fix the next time the nudging or []s don't work. |
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Post by fotofrank on Apr 3, 2018 12:41:24 GMT
You Gentlemen may want to check your thumbs as this is not a memory issue.
In Photoshop Elements the arrow keys can get 'stuck' in the effects panel. All you need to do, if change from the move tool, to any other tool, then back to the move to to the Move tool move tool.
The issue is that Effects panel continues to hold focus on the cursor, so when you use the arrow keys, instead of the layer/selection moving, you are moving the selection box around the options in the panel.
So the question is did this happen when you applied an effect on your layer?
Here is a test:
Open an image
Goto the Effect Panel and apply any Monotone Color
Make a selection and see if you can "nudge" it.
Then select the move tool as Craig suggested, and see if you can move it.
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Post by Sepiana on Apr 3, 2018 12:41:41 GMT
I also have several other programs running at the same time. Even 16 GB of ram may not be enough for all that and whatever's running in the background. reshacker,
16 GB of RAM should be more than enough even if you have other programs running at the same time.
Photoshop Elements 2018 System Requirements
You don't need to resort to closing Elements when something doesn't work properly. I am afraid this is not a solution but a workaround. Adobe has built into Elements several procedures to perform when this program "misbehaves". When and how to use them depends on the nature of the problem.
Earlier versions of Elements are 32-bit applications. Even when installed on a 64-bit OS, Elements would install itself as a 32-bit app. This means that the maximum RAM available to Elements 32-bit was 4 GB (3.2 GB to be more precise). It made no difference if you had additional RAM installed on your computer (8 GB, 16 GB, etc.). On the other hand, the 64-bit version of Elements (in this case, version 2018) will be able to take advantage of more RAM. The more RAM Elements can use the better. It will help with those features and/or tools which are memory-intensive. In short, it will enhance this program's performance.
Here is a screen shot of Elements 2018 installed on a computer running Windows 7 64-bit and with 16 GB RAM. You can see how much more RAM is available to Elements 2018, a 64-bit app. NOTE: By default, Elements uses 70% of the available RAM.
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Post by Sepiana on Apr 3, 2018 13:05:20 GMT
I go to the middle of the 3 little icons bottom right of the workspace and clicking on that I choose ‘Reset All Tools’ and that usually fixes things until the next time. I am afraid resetting ALL tools when just ONE tool is misbehaving is an overkill. "Reset All Tools" will affect the WHOLE Tools panel. Resetting restores a tool to its default settings. This means that any customization you had made to that specific tool will need to be redone next time you use it. If you do "Reset All Tools", next time you will have a lot of customization to do. |
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Post by Sepiana on Apr 3, 2018 13:19:39 GMT
You Gentlemen may want to check your thumbs as this is not a memory issue. In Photoshop Elements the arrow keys can get 'stuck' in the effects panel. All you need to do, if change from the move tool, to any other tool, then back to the move to to the Move tool move tool. The issue is that Effects panel continues to hold focus on the cursor, so when you use the arrow keys, instead of the layer/selection moving, you are moving the selection box around the options in the panel. Frank, excellent point! I quite agree with you that this is not a memory issue. The Rectangular Marquee tool is not a memory-intensive tool. |
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Post by Lillias on Apr 3, 2018 14:46:51 GMT
I am afraid resetting ALL tools when just ONE tool is misbehaving is an overkill. "Reset All Tools" will affect the WHOLE Tools panel. Resetting restores a tool to its default settings. This means that any customization you had made to that specific tool will need to be redone next time you use it. If you do "Reset All Tools", next time you will have a lot of customization to do. I understand the point you are making Sepiana however there is also an option to ‘Reset Tool’ singular so one could of course choose that instead of ‘Reset All Tools’. Re-doing any customization for the said tool is just the penalty you pay for having to take that route in the first place. It certainly seems easier to me than shutting down the whole programme and starting again. |
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Post by Sepiana on Apr 3, 2018 15:11:54 GMT
Hopefully resetting all the tools or just the appropriate individual problematic tool will fix the nudging issue as well Adobe designed the Reset a Tool/Resetting All Tools feature to address the "misbehaving" of the tools in the Tools panel (not a key on the keyboard such as the Arrow keys used for nudging.) When you do such a resetting, you are restoring a tool (or tools) to the default settings.
Reset tool settings to default
Barbara Brundage, Elements guru, says . . .
Source: The Missing Manual, Chapter 9 -- Retouching: Fine-Tuning Images.
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