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Post by callsign on Jan 7, 2016 21:22:16 GMT
To tidy things up, Sue, should I now put a tick against photos in View/Media type?
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Post by Andy on Jan 8, 2016 2:15:02 GMT
Now that your F:\drive is back, do you see the correct thumbnails for the TIFF files?
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Post by Sue on Jan 8, 2016 13:33:35 GMT
Yes you should so everything is showing again. Have you done a repair/optimize of your catalog(whether it needs it or not). This sometimes clears up random problems.
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Post by callsign on Jan 9, 2016 15:26:41 GMT
No, sargenta 1, they are in the same state and little else has changed. I'm at a complete standstill insofar as Elements is concerned.
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Post by Andy on Jan 10, 2016 1:01:07 GMT
Having tried, reconnect, repair etc etc I decided to go through the catalogue manually and Update the selected (grey) items. As all my files carry tags of either Tiff or JPEG plus the year they were taken as a minimum, it wasn't too difficult to control as the files beneath the grey icons responded to the keywords used. So I guess I'm not clear in regards to what your issue is at this point, other than the inability to use the backup function. |
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Post by callsign on Jan 10, 2016 14:43:07 GMT
Sorry about the lack of clarity, sargenta 1, but my position is still as outlined in my post of Jan 6, except, of course, that the F drive is now visible.
In a word, the TIFFs forming half the catalogue are in disarray following my attempt to drag them, within PSE, into another EHD, H:.
I didn't want to move things around further in case it would add more confusion but I think I shall now try and import the files Windows tells me are in the first half of H: into PSE (my post of Jan 6 again).
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Post by callsign on Jan 11, 2016 16:51:05 GMT
Not getting anywhere with my latest idea so I now propose to:
Rename my existing catalogue 'Disaster', then
Create a new catalogue named 'Phoenix', on another partition, 'D', of the HDD then
Restore the old backup I have to Phoenix and bring the catalogue up to date.
If that is successful (Oh, joy!) I shall then delete Disaster.
A couple of points arise: will renaming the existing catalogue in any way affect the old backup and prevent it from being used as above, and following on from that, if I delete the Disaster catalogue will its related thumbnails go with it or.......?
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Post by Andy on Jan 12, 2016 23:55:56 GMT
I wouldn't do that.
The backup function in PSE backups the catalog and the images. If you do a restore, then you might find you end up with two copies of the original images.
Have you considered just creating a new catalog and then adding all your pictures? It will at least show you whether the tiff images show up correctly.
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Post by Sue on Jan 13, 2016 12:54:01 GMT
You should be OK doing this. Specify a new location so that the pics don't duplicate.
If you decide to go the other route of a new catalog and reloading your pics make sure you write your tags to the files so you at least have the tags that go with the pics. You will lose all your tagging structure and need to recreate it.
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Post by callsign on Jan 13, 2016 16:18:47 GMT
Yes, Sue and sargenta 1, over the last 24 hours I've realised that my simple plan wasn't so simple after all and I'm trying something else.
Tucked away on an EHD I've found a backup of the F drive with all the TIFFs made about the same time as I backed up with PSE. This backup was made using Bvckup 2, a simple mirror image of the drive I believe they call it, with all the tags present. Why I made this backup I cannot recall, but it could be my saviour.
The problem is I cannot find an easy way to get the Bvckup TIFFs into my catalogue because PSE rejects them as an Import insisting they are already in the catalogue!!
I'm still working on that one , even to the extent of considering deleting all the old master folders and their contents one by one and rebuilding the TIFF side of the catalogue.
Any comments or suggestions on the revised situation?
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Post by Andy on Jan 14, 2016 1:52:18 GMT
This backup was made using Bvckup 2, a simple mirror image of the drive I believe they call it, with all the tags present. PSE doesn't store tag information with the photos unless you explicitly tell it to write the tags back to the file. Your issue doesn't appear to be the image files but the PSE catalog. I would try creating a new catalog and reimporting all the photos before you mess around with the image files themselves. |
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Post by Sue on Jan 14, 2016 12:23:36 GMT
A while ago I asked if you had done a repair/ophtimze on your catalog. I don't see an answer to that. Did you do the repair/optimize.
Regarding your backup tiffs: if you display only tiffs, you can do a ctrl-a and select them. At this point uncatalog the tiffs and reimport them.
I would try the repair first though.
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Post by callsign on Jan 16, 2016 16:54:46 GMT
Sue, on reflection it was remiss of me not to respond to your suggestion about using repair/optimize but I thought my post of Jan 3rd had covered that field; if I have caused offence then I do apologise most sincerely because you have been very helpful.
But for the record, I have reconnected, repaired, repaired anyway and optimized etc etc until I am heartily sick of such procedures!!
As to your suggestion that I might try removing my TIFFs from the catalogue, I really don't warm to that idea at this stage as I fear losing control of the images.
sargenta 1, again for the record, all my files have the metadata written to them before they are sent to their permanent folders.
Perhaps, I can return to your last two points later in this post.
The present position is:
When I open the catalogue it declares some 22,300 items which is as it should be.
Looking at the drives in Explorer which contain the catalogue they show:
D (jpegs) & F (tiffs) - thumbnails appearing normally;
H (tiffs) There are no TIFFs in the catalogue after the halfway mark, but all the folders appear to be there in the structure. (You will recall there was a failed drag and drop operation from F to H). In a word it is a very messy situation.
Looking at the same drives in PSE: D & F drives appear to have all their folders and normal thumbnails; H has a messy situation similar to that in Explorer with a fair number of images in the wrong place.
I used the catalogue a little and it responded normally to any commands I entered, both TIFF & JPEG, including albums.
Having established the above, I went through the Reconnect/Repair/Optimize etc etc procedure., and went through it very quickly, too.
Set up a full backup which failed at the 51% mark, yet again.
Given the above, I am loth to blame the catalogue without further evidence.
All in all I think I should now create a new catalogue on a new EHD.
Is it possible to copy the structure and place it in a new folder/master folder/new drive(M)?
Or could I restore an October 2015 backup into that set up and then delete all images, leaving the structure behind into which I could MOVE the current contents of F drive and drag and drop the entire D drive into M? Or am I getting too close to cloud-cuckoo land?
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Post by callsign on Jan 22, 2016 15:56:43 GMT
To try and make some sort of progress, I have decided to manually MOVE my TIFF files, within PSE, folder by folder, to a new drive within the original catalogue to see if that will enable me to make a normal backup and get on with my life.
It will take a long time especially as I am not yet comfortable with PSE 14.
If anyone has any further suggestions, I would welcome them.
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Post by Sue on Jan 23, 2016 12:55:07 GMT
I feel it is a bad file and maybe moving the tiffs manually will either resolve the issue or you will discover which file(s) are bad. I don't feel 14 is much different than 11 in the file manipulation area so you should get in the swing of things fast. Let us know what you discover on your journey.
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