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Post by Sepiana on Dec 28, 2016 0:12:12 GMT
Hi Pat, I have been following this thread, and, as I have never used the Layout feature, have been playing around with it. I'm with you, the way it works is frustrating and quite non-intuitive (in fact, I still have only a partial understanding of how it works)!
I have a different opinion. I find the Layout feature quite straightforward. This feature has been available in many versions of Elements by now. I am not sure but it may have been introduced in the same version in which Adobe introduced the Tabs/Tabbed Images feature (Elements 8? Elements 9?). Adobe used to call it "Arrange", with a little button on the top menu bar. Also, you had more display options when you brought up the Arrange drop-down menu. Starting with Elements 11, you get a more streamlined list of layout/arranging options.
Just a little clarification . . .
The Window>Images>Tile display option does NOT require that you turn on "Allow Floating Documents in Expert Mode". I don't have this option turned on and the Tile display option is available (is not greyed out). And it works just fine!
NOTE: The same applies to these options -- New Window, Match Zoom, and Match Location.
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Post by frizzylee on Dec 28, 2016 0:37:41 GMT
 When you write "it will replace the first photo" do you mean it will replace the photo on the far right? In this photo (if it shows up) it would be the green welcome mat that would be replaced, yes? |
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Post by Lillias on Dec 28, 2016 0:52:37 GMT
Curiously (at least in PSE15), when you do this the photo is replaced as described but the title (file name) does not change to reflect the new photo. Clearly a bug. This is not my experience. Unless I am misunderstanding you my file names show as per the file selected...and I am using PSE 15. |
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Post by frizzylee on Dec 28, 2016 1:19:00 GMT
I must sign off now. Will be back tomorrow (Wednesday Dec 28).
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 28, 2016 3:49:08 GMT
Pat,
Thanks for e-mailing me the screen shots and additional information! From what I understand, you want to create a collage (blank white file, four images) and still use the All Column layout option in the process as you did back in Elements 12.
Let’s try this.
1. Create a new blank file for your collage.
2. Open the four images for the collage.
3. Assuming you did Step 1 and 2 while in the Default layout mode, you should have this.
4. Switch to the layout option you want, i.e., All Column. You should have something like this.
Now you are ready to begin adding the four images to your blank file.
1. Place your cursor on one of the images you want to add to the white canvas.
2. Activate the Move tool. Hold the cursor down and drag the image onto the white canvas.
3. Repeat this process for the remaining three images.
4. Switch to the Default display option.
5. You should have all the four images on the white canvas (See the Layers panel.)
6. Now use Free Transform (Ctrl-T, Cmmd-T on a Mac) to resize/reposition the four images on your canvas to create the collage effect you want.
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Post by Major Major on Dec 28, 2016 16:19:34 GMT
Curiously (at least in PSE15), when you do this the photo is replaced as described but the title (file name) does not change to reflect the new photo. Clearly a bug. This is not my experience. Unless I am misunderstanding you my file names show as per the file selected...and I am using PSE 15. Well, here are 4 photos:  And here is the same array with the first photo replaced. Notice the file name hasn't changed.  |
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Post by Lillias on Dec 28, 2016 16:56:10 GMT
And here is the same array with the first photo replaced. Notice the file name hasn't changed. I’m not sure what is happening here but it doesn’t seem to be working the same way for me as you have described it working for you. I have 4 photos opened and all in column configuration. I click on one to select it and as you say I do see a blue box surround the corresponding photo in the photo bin – BUT – when I double click on another photo in the photo bin nothing happens except that the corresponding photo that I’ve clicked on in the photo bin gets highlighted in the workspace. It doesn’t replace the first photo and no file names change. My first example shows the dandelion photo selected in the workspace and the blue box surrounding the corresponding photo in the photo bin. My second example shows me having double clicked on the photo of the leaf in the photo bin and this has activated the leaf photo in the workspace but it hasn’t replaced the first photo in the column. In your own example where you say the file name has changed will you please take a closer look at the file name because it seems to me that your file now has two names. The name of the photo that was there originally AND the name of the photo that replaced it – you can see it alongside where you have placed the red circle… How or why that has happened I have no idea.   |
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 28, 2016 17:20:15 GMT
It does not seem possibly to "move them around", if dragging and dropping from one place to another is what you mean. You can, however, click on one of the images (selecting it - you'll see a blue box around the corresponding photo in the photo bin), and then double click on a different photo in the photo bin and it will replace the first photo. Curiously (at least in PSE15), when you do this the photo is replaced as described but the title (file name) does not change to reflect the new photo. Clearly a bug. This is not my experience. Unless I am misunderstanding you my file names show as per the file selected...and I am using PSE 15.
Leaving this issue of file name aside, . . .
I just want to make clear that you can easily drag & drop one file onto the other while in the All Column layout option. Just activate the Move tool and drag & drop.
This technique will work just fine for the kind of project Pat is doing. She explained to me in her e-mail that she is creating a collage. She has a blank file and wants to add four images to it (while using the All Column layout option). See my earlier post.
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Post by Tpgettys on Dec 28, 2016 18:07:48 GMT
You can, however, click on one of the images (selecting it - you'll see a blue box around the corresponding photo in the photo bin), and then double click on a different photo in the photo bin and it will replace the first photo. Curiously (at least in PSE15), when you do this the photo is replaced as described but the title (file name) does not change to reflect the new photo.I wasn't able to recreate the behavior you describe by double-clicking. However, if I click and drag one of the columns onto another one, I see the dragged image in the new column, but the name is unchanged. That makes sense, though. Looking at the layers panel I see the dragged image has merely become the top layer in the other image; the name should not change just because a new layer has been added. See if that is what is going on using your technique. Interestingly, I learned that if one of the files has more than one layer, I can drag any layer onto one of the other images! Also, the keystroke history for each image is remembered independently. If you do some stuff on one image, then select another one and do some stuff, when you press undo (Ctrl-Z) only the actions on the current image are undone; you have to reselect an image to undo the changes made to it. |
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 28, 2016 18:15:05 GMT
Curiously (at least in PSE15), when you do this the photo is replaced as described but the title (file name) does not change to reflect the new photo. Clearly a bug. This is not my experience. Unless I am misunderstanding you my file names show as per the file selected...and I am using PSE 15.
Now let's address this issue of file name change.
First of all, this is NOT a bug. Elements is doing what is supposed to do. What Elements is doing is just copying/pasting one photo from one "column" to the other. There is no name change when you do copy/paste.
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 28, 2016 18:39:34 GMT
That makes sense, though. Looking at the layers panel I see the dragged image has merely become the top layer in the other image; the name should not change just because a new layer has been added.
Yes, that makes sense. When you dragged an image from one column over to another image in another column, all Elements did was a copy/paste job. When you do this, the copied/pasted image automatically comes in on its own layer and there is no name change. This is true whenever you do a copy/paste job. Elements is doing exactly what is supposed to do!
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Post by Major Major on Dec 28, 2016 20:16:23 GMT
When you write "it will replace the first photo" do you mean it will replace the photo on the far right? In this photo (if it shows up) it would be the green welcome mat that would be replaced, yes? There's no way to tell which of the pictures in the columns you have selected - that said, if you had the green welcome mat selected in the columns, nothing would happen as shown because you also have the green welcome mat selected in the photo bin. |
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Post by Major Major on Dec 28, 2016 20:19:56 GMT
Leaving this issue of file name aside, . . .
I just want to make clear that you can easily drag & drop one file onto the other while in the All Column layout option. Just activate the Move tool and drag & drop. Apparently so. I don't know why it didn't work when I first tried it. Also discovered in doing this that you actually create a new layer on top of the original image in whatever column you move it to, as Tom and Sepiana have pointed out. Thanks, all. |
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 28, 2016 20:29:09 GMT
Leaving this issue of file name aside, . . .
I just want to make clear that you can easily drag & drop one file onto the other while in the All Column layout option. Just activate the Move tool and drag & drop. Apparently so. I don't know why it didn't work when I first tried it. Also discovered in doing this that you actually create a new layer on top of the original image in whatever column you move it to, as Tom and Sepiana have pointed out. Thanks, all. It happens to me too. I think it is the way I handle the mouse. You really have to keep the cursor down.
Yes, that layer "creation" is to be expected. What Elements is doing is copying/pasting. In the case of Pat's project, a collage -- a blank document (white canvas) + four images added -- it will work just fine. In the end she will have all the four images pasted on her white canvas. Now all she needs to do is reposition/resize the images. You can see all the "action" in my earlier post.
www.photoshopelementsandmore.com/post/30285
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