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Post by first5 on Feb 25, 2017 23:15:55 GMT
Since I began without any good file system for organizing my pictures I would like to start over from scratch with my picture file structure. I have PSE4 and I want to uninstall it cleanly since I haven't used it much since I installed Lightroom quite a while ago. I want to delete all of the associated catalogs and tags as well. I would like to purchase PSE15 to include all of the new "reorganization" once it is completed on an external hard drive and perhaps keep and use Lightroom for some future editing. I am using Windows 7. What are the pitfalls that I will no doubt encounter and what should I be doing besides (of course) a full backup of my current pictures?
Any step by step instruction will be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Tpgettys on Feb 26, 2017 3:26:44 GMT
Hi first5 , I have heard several members here say that they prefer to use Lightroom to organize their images. Since I do not use LR I can not speak to how it compares to the PSE organizer, but we do have a board dedicated to discussions about Lightroom. I know you will get some knowledgeable help there.
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Post by first5 on Feb 26, 2017 14:19:38 GMT
Thanks for your response. Maybe I was not too clear in my post. I want to uninstall PSE4, reorganize all of my picture file structure on an external hard drive then use PSE15 as my primary organizing software. I only use Lightroom for some occasional editing. At this point I would like to know how to do a clean uninstall of PSE4.
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Post by Tpgettys on Feb 27, 2017 0:10:26 GMT
Maybe I was not too clear in my post. I want to uninstall PSE4, reorganize all of my picture file structure on an external hard drive then use PSE15 as my primary organizing software. I only use Lightroom for some occasional editing. At this point I would like to know how to do a clean uninstall of PSE4. Sorry about that! I expect doing the usual uninstall procedure on you computer will work just fine. While none of your pictures should be impacted, it is would be prudent to back them all up on your external drive before doing the uninstall. Next install PSE 15 and import your pictures using the Organizer. Because each version of PSE is independent, the catalog from version 4 will still be there. If you are certain you don't need it you will need to manually delete those files. I hope that is helpful.
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Post by michelb on Feb 27, 2017 7:54:53 GMT
Maybe I was not too clear in my post. I want to uninstall PSE4, reorganize all of my picture file structure on an external hard drive then use PSE15 as my primary organizing software. I only use Lightroom for some occasional editing. At this point I would like to know how to do a clean uninstall of PSE4. Sorry about that! I expect doing the usual uninstall procedure on you computer will work just fine. While none of your pictures should be impacted, it is would be prudent to back them all up on your external drive before doing the uninstall. Next install PSE 15 and import your pictures using the Organizer. Because each version of PSE is independent, the catalog from version 4 will still be there. If you are certain you don't need it you will need to manually delete those files. I hope that is helpful. Even if PSE4 is a very old version created on a different database engine (Microsoft Access instead of Sqlite), it's still possible to convert the pse4 catalog to the new version 15 format. First, how you want to organize (by folder structure) is absolutely not the way the Organizer, Lightroom or other database management software do work. They store all the information in catalog built around a database. You assign keywords, categories, ratings, you group by stacks, version sets, albums. The result is a neat display of library with far more powerful tool to retrieve any kind of selected items. The above tool can also work like the Explorer or Finder to physically move files in your OS browser, but that's independent. If you want only to get a 'tidy' look folder tree, you only have to work like in Explorer, but within the Explorer or Lightroom or... You can move a whole folder tree or only branches in the Folders panel on the left. Simply don't move branches or files like this from the Explorer/Finder: you'll lose the links in the catalog. The second requirement is to migrate from pse4 to pse15. You could use the pse4 to reshape your folder tree before migrating. Or you could first migrate to pse15 and use pse15 for that task. The recommended way to migrate to a new computer: helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/kb/backup-restore-move-catalog-photoshop.htmlWhether you want to reshape your folder tree in pse4 or later in pse15, that solution is not only the safer one, but it handles moving the library to the new 'custom' location on the external drive as well as the conversion of the old catalog to the new pse15 format; that way, all your keywording and organization will be recovered. Note that conversion from pse4 in a 64-bits computer requires special procedure described in the above link. If you don't care for a total conversion of the catalog, but if you are simply happy to recover keywords, don't forget to 'Write metadata to files' in pse4 first. Instead of converting the catalog, which does not require any new 'import' of media files, you import in a new empty pse15 catalog and the keywords and captions are recovered; NOT the collections (now called albums), stacks, version sets... Please ask for more details.
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Post by first5 on Feb 27, 2017 20:50:51 GMT
Again I want to thank both of you for your response.
All of the information would seem to help an average person but, I guess I'm less than average and don't understand much of what was provided.
Am I wrong to want to redo my hard drive by reorganizing my picture files in a logical way outside of any Adobe software? If it makes sense, I want to reorganize my pictures on an external hard drive then after that is complete install the latest version of Elements on that same external hard drive, import the reorganized picture files into the Elements organizer and use it from then on to keep my photos organized. I don't want PES4 and any catalogs associated with it which are a mess to be part of my new system of organizing.
Sorry for being such a dope.
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Post by michelb on Feb 27, 2017 21:41:07 GMT
Am I wrong to want to redo my hard drive by reorganizing my picture files in a logical way outside of any Adobe software? If it makes sense, I want to reorganize my pictures on an external hard drive then after that is complete install the latest version of Elements on that same external hard drive, import the reorganized picture files into the Elements organizer and use it from then on to keep my photos organized. I don't want PES4 and any catalogs associated with it which are a mess to be part of my new system of organizing.
Yes, if you don't think that the information in your PSE4 catalog is not really important, you can organize your folder tree from the explorer or finder and import them later in the catalog of PSE15. If you think that the keywords and captions you may have already assigned to your files should be kept, use the option to 'write metadata to files' in PSE4 before starting your moves. The information stored in the catalog will be copied to the media files themselves.
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Post by Tpgettys on Feb 27, 2017 23:24:26 GMT
Am I wrong to want to redo my hard drive by reorganizing my picture files in a logical way outside of any Adobe software? I am unsure what you mean by organizing your pictures in a logical way on the hard drive, but doing whatever you have in mind will be fine. In the PSE Organizer you can view the folders your pictures are organized in, and you can create albums as another way of organizing them. You can also associated keywords (tags) with each image and view all the images with a shared tag or set of tags. I guess what I am saying is that there is support for achieving various logical organizations, regardless of how they are physically organized on the hard disk. When I import new images from the camera they are deposited in folders named by the date the pictures were taken, so that is how my images are "actually" organized, by date.
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Post by first5 on Mar 1, 2017 22:15:43 GMT
Thanks again for all of the input. I'm not sure which way to go now that you both have tried to help. I do know that I want to uninstall PSE4 and install the latest version. Can you guide me, in simple terms, through that process?
Thanks for your patient understanding.
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Post by Tpgettys on Mar 2, 2017 2:39:10 GMT
I'm hoping and expecting it will go well for you first5 . There is no reason to unistall your version 4 before installing the new version; in fact I recommend that you do the install first. Once that is done, leave the version 4 in place while you get to know your way around the new version. Someday you may decide to uninstall the version 4, but since they operate independently you can decide about that at your leisure.
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Post by BuckSkin on Mar 2, 2017 18:01:07 GMT
Am I wrong to want to redo my hard drive by reorganizing my picture files in a logical way outside of any Adobe software?
My two cents worth will probably only serve to confuse you; but, I think I understand what you are wanting to accomplish. The absolute two best things I use to finally get a sensible handle on our image storage structure are the free programs DIM (Digital Image Mover) and FastStone; I download the image files from the card-reader and rename and sort by date into a temporary folder using DIM; then, I move these date-sorted files into my personally created date-organized folder tree; then, I view and cull through them using FastStone; all of this before the Organizer ever sees them. I also use DIM to rename and date files that are already in the system. File name CanonT5_12-Aug-2013_042 makes a lot more sense to me than IMG_4781 I know most of this can be done using strictly the Organizer, but I find my method much quicker and less "bulky" However you accomplish it, I have found that strict organization by date-taken and using the date-taken as the file's name has really improved our image file organization. The reason I move the renamed/date-sorted images into a dated folder tree of my own creation, instead of leaving them in the dated folders created by the software of your choice (DIM in my case), is that most of these programs are far too simple in their naming of the dated folders and thus you get Apr, Aug, Dec, Feb, Jan, Jul, Jun, Mar, May, Nov, Oct, Sep, in that order; my folder tree is A_January-2016, B_February-2016, C_March-2016, etc. and makes me feel better. Also, most of these programs just number the individual day folders, thus you have like-named day folders in every month; I go a bit further by naming my individual day folders something like 03-Jan-2016_Bear, 13-Jan-2016_Big Ice Storm, 15-Jan-2016_Uncle Lester's Birthday, 23-Jan-2016_Big Snow, 26-Jan-2016_Possum, and so forth and so on; two years down the road, this makes more sense to me than simply 3,13,15,23,26 Anyway, that is just something for you to think about.
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Post by Sepiana on Mar 2, 2017 18:27:29 GMT
I do know that I want to uninstall PSE4 and install the latest version. Can you guide me, in simple terms, through that process? If you really want to "get rid" of Elements 4, just use Control Panel>Uninstall a program. Then, proceed with the installation of Elements 15.
Uninstall | Adobe Premiere Elements | Photoshop Elements
However, you may want to reconsider your decision if you like/use any one of these features which are available in Elements 4.
- 3D Transform filter - Lighting Effects filter - Magic Extractor - Color Variations
These four features have been removed from Elements. The 3D Transform filter was removed starting with Elements 8. The Lighting Effects filter, Magic Extractor, and Color Variations were removed starting with Elements 12.
You may want to check this thread on the Adobe Photoshop Elements forum to learn about all the features removed from Elements starting with version 12 and the possible alternatives.
What features from previous versions are not available in Adobe Photoshop Elements 12?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 18:51:43 GMT
Am I wrong to want to redo my hard drive by reorganizing my picture files in a logical way outside of any Adobe software? If it makes sense, I want to reorganize my pictures on an external hard drive then after that is complete install the latest version of Elements on that same external hard drive, import the reorganized picture files into the Elements organizer and use it from then on to keep my photos organized. I don't want PES4 and any catalogs associated with it which are a mess to be part of my new system of organizing. Hi first5, You have already been given really good information from everyone here. So just to reiterate: to delete PSE4 go to your Control Panel, Programs and then Uninstall Programs. Select PSE4 and uninstall. I went through a similar reorganization of my photos some years ago now. All of my photos reside on an external drive and are sorted by year and then by event/location (so it would look like 2017 > Alaska 12-Aug-2017). I found that this keeps all my photos in line and as my memory associates my photos with events and locations I find this the easiest to work with. Once you have everything sorted, you can then import these into your Organizer. I can't help with that part, as I use LR for that. Good luck and post back if you need further help.
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Post by first5 on Mar 3, 2017 18:10:00 GMT
Awesome! I can't thank each of you enough. As you can no doubt tell I'm a total rookie so all of your help is greatly appreciated. I'll be knee-deep in photo reorganization for some time to come and look forward to your further help from time to time. Everyone here is so considerate and helpful. Thanks again.
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Post by BuckSkin on Mar 3, 2017 19:09:27 GMT
I am barely more than a complete beginner myself; however, we had a closet-full of old desk-tops that had been laid to rest for various reasons, most of which only needed a simple fix had we have had any knowledge at all about them; and, of course, the hard-drives in each of these had lots of photos locked away that I thought we would never see again-----until I discovered a little magical device made by Sabrent that allows me to connect any hard-drive to a USB port and access and copy it's contents.
I can even add, subtract, organize, and move stuff around on these hard-drives just as if they were any old external drive.
That being said, I got the job of rescuing pictures and music from all of the in-laws many dead machines; if anyone ever needed some advice on image organization, they would be at the top of the list; DIM and FastStone soon had their mess all organized, dated, and renamed all neat and tidy.
Of course my efforts are wasted on them, as they will now randomly dump un-named un-sorted images willy nilly throughout the orderly folder tree that I turned over to them; they call me obsessive/compulsive, but at least I know where my handsaw and hammer are and I can quickly find whatever picture I am looking for.
All that being said, getting your pictures organized will change your life for the better.
Also, myself, I would leave the earlier version of Elements installed; we find ourselves using our E7 a lot more than we use our E12.
Thanks for reading.
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