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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 16:15:34 GMT
Well, given that the poll feature is limited in how a poll is run, I think it is clear that the poll will stay as it is. Additionally, it seems to me that members and staff prefer 3 votes per member, so again, not something that is going to change. Bailey, you state that In its present form I can't justify the time since there is no benefit to me at all. But in the future if the direction of the IOW activity changes to a direction similar to what I put forward and the invitation still exists, I would most probably consider it then. . The truth is, volunteering, in any form, is all about giving back to the community (and individuals), it isn't about having a personal gain. I do get something out of this, I am able to make somebody's day by picking their image, which in turns gives me a good warm feeling, I also learn from looking at different sorts of pictures by analyzing why a particular picture appeals to me. All of those things are well worth the perhaps 1/2 hour I spent putting the IOW post and/or poll together. |
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Post by alexr on Mar 2, 2018 20:12:34 GMT
For what it is worth, my two penn'orth (not cents here):
As others have intimated, let's keep a clear distinction in this discussion between the 'judged' IOW and the poll IOW.
Regarding the poll version, whilst I agree that moving to one choice per voter (not voting for their own) would give a more definitive result, I think it would diminish the positive aspects, which chimes with the feel of this forum. By this I mean that in most polls i don't win but I often see that someone has gone to the effort of voting for one of my images, which gives me a warm glow of satisfaction, and I don't mind whether they have voted for my technique or my artistic merit. And I'm sure others feel the same. Yes, it doesn't really mean anything, but it's nice nonetheless. If we go to one vote each, the love will not be so shared out and the forum loses a little positivity.
Regarding the judged IOW I would encourage anyone to become a judge; I find the benefits to me of judging are that it makes me assess what I like about a number of very different images. And by assessing these, and then articulating it (albeit always focusing on the positives) I learn better what I like and why. And when I am creating my own images it does force me to check and think to myself 'how would I judge that if I saw someone else post it?' even though none of you will ever see it. Yes maybe I shouldn't need that but every little thing that pushes me to get better is a good thing. And hopefully my observations on other people's images are of benefit to them and the rest of the community.
There has been some discussion on the criteria that are used for the judged IOW. I often find myself choosing a different IOW than the judge did. I actually see this as a positive as it demonstrates that we all like and focus on different things, so I particularly like to read why judges have selected what they did and thus learn to see things from other points of view. There is no truly independent definition of what the 'best' image in any given week is. And indeed I could usually go for any of my top 3 as the actual IOW depending on how I'm feeling that day.
And just a minor suggestion to make to Bailey, you say that you prefer to comment on people's individual images as they are posted; that is fine and to encourage this a number of us have ticked the 'open to constructive criticism of photos' box in our profiles, to let you know that we are happy to accept just such critique (albeit this is only really relevant to forum posts, not gallery). You may consider doing the same so that if other forum members have relevant comments to make about yours they know you are happy to accept it, if you don't, no one will say anything.
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Post by kathylee on Mar 2, 2018 23:59:03 GMT
IOW is so much fun. I always enjoy adding pictures each week and looking at other talened members pictures. I would hate to see IOW change in any way. Oh well, maybe a $500 price would be nice!!!! I appreciate all the time that people donate in here that makes this forum work so well and be so enjoyable.
There are many different contests one can find on the internet that are way more structured, so I guess if a member feels a need for more rules and exact voting they could join different contests as well!!!!!
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Post by Bailey on Mar 3, 2018 0:56:54 GMT
Bailey, you state that In its present form I can't justify the time since there is no benefit to me at all. But in the future if the direction of the IOW activity changes to a direction similar to what I put forward and the invitation still exists, I would most probably consider it then. . The truth is, volunteering, in any form, is all about giving back to the community (and individuals), it isn't about having a personal gain. I do get something out of this, I am able to make somebody's day by picking their image, which in turns gives me a good warm feeling, I also learn from looking at different sorts of pictures by analyzing why a particular picture appeals to me. All of those things are well worth the perhaps 1/2 hour I spent putting the IOW post and/or poll together. Hi again Simone, What you say is totally correct except that any personal gain like learning new techniques, skills, meeting new people etc etc through volunteer work is also very good and satisfying imo and should be encouraged wherever possible by volunteer work providers. The opportunity of that "personal gain" could encourage some people to actually put up their hand and volunteer as well  So as I mentioned earlier, in its present form I can't justify the time to be an IOW judge because all the benefits you speak of that you get, I currently get elsewhere. I accept from the replies in this thread that generally speaking the Administrators and members are happy with the current format, but as I mentioned before, if the format changes direction some time in the future I could reconsider at that time Thank you to everyone who shared their thoughts and views in this thread. |
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Post by blackmutt on Mar 5, 2018 0:26:47 GMT
I guess I don't understand the "time" you speak of for IOW judging. I generally don't study them until the end of the week. And quite honestly it takes me no more than 15 min. since either a photo appeals to me or it doesn't. I don't do it for any personal gain as I am not sure what you could gain. It's interesting that's all.
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Post by Bailey on Mar 5, 2018 1:32:54 GMT
I guess I don't understand the "time" you speak of for IOW judging. I generally don't study them until the end of the week. And quite honestly it takes me no more than 15 min. since either a photo appeals to me or it doesn't. I don't do it for any personal gain as I am not sure what you could gain. It's interesting that's all. Hi blackmutt and thank you for your thoughts. The "time" I speak of is regarding the fact there are only 24 hours in a day in which to do whatever you want and/or need to do. As I am sure you are aware, there are many other web sites on the www that photographers, scrapbookers, graphic designers and the like can spend time on. I spend time on a couple of other web sites as well and so given the time constraint of 24 hours in a day sometimes people have to prioritise to what extent and where they get involved to help others with similar interests based on peoples' collective and individual interests, the type of help asked for and what the helper might gain in terms of satisfaction in helping others and improving one's own skills/knowledge at the same time if possible. Simone mentioned what she gets out of judging and that is all very good but as I mentioned in an earlier post I already get those "benefits" elsewhere. The purpose of this thread was never to suggest the IOW activity must change, that is why the subject of this thread was posed as a question and not a statement - to get people thinking about if it needs to change. I posted where, in the long run, I would like to see IOW heading based on my interests and views. The feedback in this thread indicates that people are generally happy with the IOW format as is and I accept that. So if the IOW stays as is, then I can help more and potentially learn more myself elsewhere. I'm still happy to help out here where I can and when time permits. I hope this clears up for you where I am coming from |
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Post by Andy on Mar 5, 2018 22:02:19 GMT
I think enough has been said on this so I'm closing this thread before it gets heated.
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In its present form I can't justify the time since there is no benefit to me at all. But in the future if the direction of the IOW activity changes to a direction similar to what I put forward and the invitation still exists, I would most probably consider it then.. The truth is, volunteering, in any form, is all about giving back to the community (and individuals), it isn't about having a personal gain. I do get something out of this, I am able to make somebody's day by picking their image, which in turns gives me a good warm feeling, I also learn from looking at different sorts of pictures by analyzing why a particular picture appeals to me. All of those things are well worth the perhaps 1/2 hour I spent putting the IOW post and/or poll together. 
