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Post by Bailey on Apr 2, 2018 6:02:39 GMT
Thanks hmca, I don't know why I didn't get the full image. I just tried again by right clicking and selecting "Save Image" and it still downloads as 3000 x 2605px.
But it doesn't matter now. I deleted the earlier post because as I mentioned in my previous post that I can see some artefacts in the image I downloaded and am wondering if they are in the original image or if they were introduced during the enlargement. If I can see them in this image, I am sure I would be able to see them in the full size image as well.
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Post by Peterj on Apr 2, 2018 6:03:54 GMT
I'm pretty sure that Cloudup is presenting a scaled down version -- if you want to see the full 4x I think you'll have to download ... here's a screen dump from cloudup
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Post by hmca on Apr 2, 2018 6:06:09 GMT
If you check my screenshot you will see it downloads at I don't see any artifacts.....the image appears clean on my screen.
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Post by Bailey on Apr 2, 2018 6:07:58 GMT
I'm pretty sure that Cloudup is presenting a scaled down version -- if you want to see the full 4x I think you'll have to download ... here's a screen dump from cloudup Thanks Peter, that will explain it. I did just a "Save Image" when I right clicked the image in the link which downloads the scaled down version and not the full size version.
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Post by Bailey on Apr 2, 2018 6:09:24 GMT
I don't see any artifacts.....the image appears clean on my screen. Did you view it at 100% as I mentioned I did?
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Post by Bailey on Apr 2, 2018 6:14:42 GMT
Hi Peter, I got the full 13336 x 11580 now. I didn't see the "Download" button earlier , but still seeing a few "spots" that I am not sure if they are on the original image or not. But it's no big deal. For onscreen display, the enlargement is fine as images that are larger than the screen are "compressed" to fit on the user's screen and so small irregularities might not be noticeable. (hence reviewing images at 100%, especially if the image is to be printed, is a must for me) If I were to print it, the "spots" might or might not be noticeable.
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Post by Peterj on Apr 2, 2018 15:14:53 GMT
It's important to note that a 13336 x 11580 pixel dimension at 300 dpi = 45 x 38 inches - most folks won't be viewing an image that size any where near to the equivalent of 100% on a screen.
If you don't mind I'd like to know about the "spots" referenced ... possibly a screen grab with approximate location. This was an experiment for me and I'd like to know if an incremental size increase with On1 Resize will "fix the issue"
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Post by Bailey on Apr 2, 2018 23:07:59 GMT
I didn't keep the photo after my post yesterday. There were 5 or 6 on the petals.
As I suggested in my first post
I don't have the original photo, so unfortunately I can't check if they are on it or not, but you could. Just compare your enlargement with the original. If you see nothing wrong then they are on the original as well.
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Post by Peterj on Apr 3, 2018 4:10:46 GMT
Thanks Bailey, I didn't notice any spots on the petals or for that matter any where else using On1's film strip viewer for side by side comparison. For anyone interested both the original and 4x enlargement can be found at cloudup.com/cSk0qawElhA the files MUST be downloaded (not right click save as) using CloudUp's download icon to make a valid comparison.
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Post by Bailey on Apr 3, 2018 7:51:15 GMT
Hi Peterj, thank you for uploading the zip file containing the original and enlarged image. I have downloaded it and compared your original with your enlargement and found that the "spots" I referred to on the petals are on both the original and enlargement, so they're not introduced by ON1. But, then with your original image already opened in my PSE 14, I decided to enlarge it in one go to 13336px x 11580px (same as your enlargement) using PSE's Bicubic Smoother (best for enlargement) option and then compared PSE's enlargement to ON1's enlargement. Well, my eyes see next to no difference at all. If I really look hard straining my eyes, in a few small areas one image might be very slightly sharper than the other but its really a bit of a stretch. For all intents and purposes, my eyes tell both the PSE and ON1 enlargement are the same. So the lesson here is, I for one won't be rushing out to purchase ON1 Resize based solely just on this one test image. I would have to do a lot more testing on a lot more images to see if PSE or ON1 has any advantage over the other when it comes to resizing before considering purchasing an application just for resizing images. As always, just some food for thought
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Post by Sepiana on Apr 3, 2018 13:50:39 GMT
I didn't notice any spots on the petals or for that matter any where else using On1's film strip viewer for side by side comparison. Neither did I. (I used the same technique for comparison as you did.)
I also went further. I ran your files through both Photoshop CC and Lightroom Classic Cc. Both programs confirmed what we saw in ON1 Resize.
Based on my experience with both Elements as well as Resize, I have to say Resize is quite a few notches above Elements when it comes to enlarging an image, especially when it is a "huge" resizing. Unless your file is a Smart Object, when you try to enlarge it to more than 100% in Elements, your file will get all pixelated, i.e., it will suffer loss of quality.
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Post by Peterj on Apr 3, 2018 14:03:58 GMT
I think we all learned a bit from this exercise ... Thanks Sepiana & Bailey for participating. Up until now I was happily enjoying the marketing from On1 that it's resize module was the best - now via these posts I've confirmed it myself. For all folks reading this please do note that On1 Photo Raw suite is much much more than the resize module and is well worth the 30 free trial offered... www.on1.com/dl/11/
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Post by Bailey on Apr 3, 2018 23:12:49 GMT
I think we all learned a bit from this exercise ... Thanks Sepiana & Bailey for participating. Up until now I was happily enjoying the marketing from On1 that it's resize module was the best - now via these posts I've confirmed it myself. For all folks reading this please do note that On1 Photo Raw suite is much much more than the resize module and is well worth the 30 free trial offered... www.on1.com/dl/11/No problem Petej, for the time being I am very happy to stay with PSE and it's resizing functions and Adobe Camera Raw. This thread hasn't convinced me that ON1 products are better than Adobe's.
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Post by Bailey on Apr 3, 2018 23:44:32 GMT
Based on my experience with both Elements as well as Resize, I have to say Resize is quite a few notches above Elements when it comes to enlarging an image, especially when it is a "huge" resizing. Unless your file is a Smart Object, when you try to enlarge it to more than 100% in Elements, your file will get all pixelated, i.e., it will suffer loss of quality.
Hi Sepiana, I did say in my original post Using the test image from Peterj there was no pixelation in the enlarged image when I enlarged it using PSE as I described earlier without using smart objects. His original image of 4000px on the long side was enlarged to 13336px. No-one has to take my word for it. Pete has kindly uploaded the original and ON1 enlarged images for anyone to download and do their own comparison in PSE if they wish. But that is not to say that every image will enlarge to a high quality. As I mentioned above, the contents of the image play a part as well. I doubt any software manufacturer will give an unconditional 100% guarantee that it's software will yield perfect results in every single case, so I suspect there will be images that both PSE and ON1 would struggle with. With high resolution originals I would suspect both ON1 and PSE would generate very good results. The more interesting test for me would be a comparison of enlarging low resolution images as I described in an earlier post. If I ever get sufficient spare time in the future I might do the comparison myself.
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Post by Bailey on Apr 4, 2018 2:17:06 GMT
If you don't mind I'd like to know about the "spots" referenced ... possibly a screen grab with approximate location. This was an experiment for me and I'd like to know if an incremental size increase with On1 Resize will "fix the issue" Hi Peterj, These are some of the spots I wasn't sure of in your enlargement before you uploaded the original image. After you uploaded the original, I could see they were on there as well and so were not caused by the ON1 enlargement. They also appear on the PSE enlargement I mentioned earlier. The PSE enlargement and the ON1 enlargement are for all intents and purposes the same according to my eyes as I posted earlier.
fwiw: Thanks Bailey , I didn't notice any spots on the petals or for that matter any where else using On1's film strip viewer for side by side comparison. I don't know why On1's film strip viewer didn't show the red circled spots for you and sepiana (in a later post to yours), but I don't use it and if it didn't show those spots maybe I wouldn't want to use it . I'm currently very happy using PSE with Adobe Camera RAW and PSE for enlarging (I do very little enlarging anyway) until I am convinced there is something better for me.
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