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Post by hmca on Apr 19, 2018 22:09:25 GMT
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Post by Bailey on Apr 20, 2018 3:52:10 GMT
Brilliant, brilliant video! Thank you so much for sharing  Early in the video there is this title -  The cause of the above and how to avoid it with suggestions on how to continually improve your photography is what the video is essentially about. It also supports very well what I have been saying in other threads. For example: ... Offering constructive suggestions can be encouraging someone as well, if done properly. Otherwise just heaping praise on someone all the time can lead to the situation similar to where family members and friends always tell someone their singing is great all the time (in order to not offend or upset them) when in fact they can't hold a note. That someone then finds out the hard way that they can't sing when they become so confident in their ability, after being showered with praise all the time, that they end up on one those TV talent shows where they are told a few home truths. ... It's a pity that I have been able to find only 1 or 2 examples (apart from the few I have offered) of constructive suggestions/critiques on this web site. This thread is a good example of how constructive suggestions can work well. I can highly recommend having a look at the video at the link hmca posted. |
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Post by hmca on Apr 20, 2018 12:36:36 GMT
I'm glad you watched it, Bailey. I'm not sure how many people here actually think they are better than they are but he gives some excellent advice about pushing ourselves to try new things. It is easy to fall into a rut with our photography. I know for myself that my favorite place to take pictures is at the beach. I think this forum offers several opportunities to our members to go move beyond their comfort zone and try something new. The weekly photo challenge is a perfect example but sadly doesn't get a high number of members participating. I know I need to make the effort to participate more often.
In addition to opening ourselves up to critique from others, he recommends critiquing our own work......looking back at our favorite pictures and seeing what we could do to improve them.
So thank you for your endorsement of the video. I notice that since you commented the number of people who have viewed this thread has increased significantly.......hopefully they they have taken the time to watch the video.
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Post by Lillias on Apr 20, 2018 13:41:22 GMT
I watched the video and it is excellent. Even though I’m not a photographer I think the advice given could apply to art in its many different forms – even Digital Scrapbooking.
Critiques - I understand it can be a touchy subject and it’s not always easy to receive critiques of ones work especially if it’s something you put a lot of work into and felt happy with how it turned out but for myself I have learned a lot along the way from such critiques and I’m grateful to those who took the time to critique my work. I feel that I have benefitted from their suggestions and it makes me look more closely at what I do now.
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Post by Bailey on Apr 21, 2018 0:59:38 GMT
I'm glad you watched it, Bailey. I'm not sure how many people here actually think they are better than they are but he gives some excellent advice about pushing ourselves to try new things. I'm not sure either how many people here actually think they are better than they are, but I suspect it's most probably through no fault of their own. If all they ever hear is how wonderful their photos are then of course the gap between perceived ability and actual ability (as discussed in the video) could be huge. In another threads I recently posted - Apart from the hassle of maintaining 2 galleries if I start one here as well is that if all I am going to get here is people saying how wonderful my photos are, then I don't learn anything and it's a waste of time for me.... Offering constructive suggestions can be encouraging someone as well, if done properly. Otherwise just heaping praise on someone all the time can lead to the situation similar to where family members and friends always tell someone their singing is great all the time (in order to not offend or upset them) when in fact they can't hold a note. That someone then finds out the hard way that they can't sing when they become so confident in their ability, after being showered with praise all the time, that they end up on one those TV talent shows where they are told a few home truths. ...
It is easy to fall into a rut with our photography. I know for myself that my favorite place to take pictures is at the beach. I think this forum offers several opportunities to our members to go move beyond their comfort zone and try something new. The weekly photo challenge is a perfect example but sadly doesn't get a high number of members participating. Yes, my comfort zone is landscapes and events. I really appreciate the skill and effort involved in some of the amazing nature photography I see on the www. I would love to become more involved in that. I have for a long time now thought to myself that I should try photographing close-ups of birds in flight. I have seen some mind blowing photos on the Internet. Watching the video has prompted me to now actually try to make some time to do so.
In addition to opening ourselves up to critique from others, he recommends critiquing our own work......looking back at our favorite pictures and seeing what we could do to improve them. Yes, that was one of the important points in the video. If only I knew a few years ago about what I know now about how to compose a scene, control depth of field, what hyperfocal distance is, the exposure triangle, how to use and control flash blah blah blah, I know I would have done a lot of things differently back then. I look back now at some old photos and think snapshot...snapshot...snapshot 
So thank you for your endorsement of the video. I notice that since you commented the number of people who have viewed this thread has increased significantly.......hopefully they they have taken the time to watch the video. No problem I am going to put the link to the video in my signature here as well.
I watched the video and it is excellent. Even though I’m not a photographer I think the advice given could apply to art in its many different forms – even Digital Scrapbooking. I agree. The message/advice in the video could also be applied to many different areas of life in general imo.
Critiques - I understand it can be a touchy subject and it’s not always easy to receive critiques of ones work especially if it’s something you put a lot of work into and felt happy with how it turned out but for myself I have learned a lot along the way from such critiques and I’m grateful to those who took the time to critique my work. I feel that I have benefitted from their suggestions and it makes me look more closely at what I do now. Yes, that is why I have on every occasion in previous post in other threads tried to stress that the reason behind any constructive critique/suggestion must also be given in order for it to be helpful. |
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Post by hmca on Apr 21, 2018 1:27:04 GMT
I'm glad you watched it, Bailey. I'm not sure how many people here actually think they are better than they are but he gives some excellent advice about pushing ourselves to try new things. I'm not sure either how many people here actually think they are better than they are, but I suspect it's most probably through no fault of their own. If all they ever hear is how wonderful their photos are then of course the gap between perceived ability and actual ability (as discussed in the video) could be huge. ********************************************************************************************************** Conversely, there are many people who are actually better than they think they are. People who are very critical of their own work, and no matter how much positive feedback they receive, continue to doubt their ability. Or worse, people who have developed an artistic style that isn't recognized by people who are stuck on the mechanics of photography and can't see beyond the "rules". So while I agree with you that thoughtfully given critiques can certainly be helpful, I think it is important to remember that as well-meant as they are, they also have the potential to make someone doubt their ability......when they actually shouldn't.
Bottom line......it is a good video that can be applied to most any area of life........stop and reflect.....and redefine where you really want to be going. |
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Post by Bailey on Apr 21, 2018 1:31:47 GMT
I'm not sure either how many people here actually think they are better than they are, but I suspect it's most probably through no fault of their own. If all they ever hear is how wonderful their photos are then of course the gap between perceived ability and actual ability (as discussed in the video) could be huge. ********************************************************************************************************** Conversely, there are many people who are actually better than they think they are. People who are very critical of their own work, and no matter how much positive feedback they receive, continue to doubt their ability. Or worse, people who have developed an artistic style that isn't recognized by people who are stuck on the mechanics of photography and can't see beyond the "rules". So while I agree with you that thoughtfully given critiques can certainly be helpful, I think it is important to remember that as well-meant as they are, they also have the potential to make someone doubt their ability......when they actually shouldn't.
Bottom line......it is a good video that can be applied to most any area of life........stop and reflect.....and redefine where you really want to be going.Just for clarification - although the text in blue is contained the quote box of my earlier post, the text in blue is hmca's reply and not what I posted. Hope this clears up any confusion as to who is saying what |
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Post by hmca on Apr 21, 2018 1:34:22 GMT
I know...I couldn't figure out how to post beyond the quote box!!!! Hoped the line of asterisks and blue type made it clear.
How did you write your post to separate the quote box.....I could use some positive critique as to how to accomplish that!!!!
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Post by Bailey on Apr 21, 2018 2:06:15 GMT
... People who are very critical of their own work, and no matter how much positive feedback they receive, continue to doubt their ability. ... Yes and that is why I have previously posted on several occasions if all I always hear is how wonderful, or words to that effect, my photos are then I learn nothing and posting the photos in the first place is a waste of time for me.
I know...I couldn't figure out how to post beyond the quote box!!!! Hoped the line of asterisks and blue type made it clear. How did you write your post to separate the quote box.....I could use some positive critique as to how to accomplish that!!!! I use BBCODE ( bbcode tags reference) to customise my posts when needed. When I reply to a post, in the left bottom corner of the post editor I see a Preview and BBcode button. By default the editor is in Preview mode in which you can make basic edits and customisation. For stripping out irrelevant bits to posts and/or make multi quotes in a post as in this and other threads I use the BBCODE mode of the editor. Different web sites allow more or less bbcode tags to be accessible to plain users. I'm sure the admins will be able to provide you with more info on what bbcode tags they have enabled for this web site and how they can be used. |
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Post by hmca on Apr 21, 2018 3:38:16 GMT
I use BBCODE ( bbcode tags reference) to customise my posts when needed. When I reply to a post, in the left bottom corner of the post editor I see a Preview and BBcode button. By default the editor is in Preview mode in which you can make basic edits and customisation. For stripping out irrelevant bits to posts and/or make multi quotes in a post as in this and other threads I use the BBCODE mode of the editor. Ahhh.....thank you! I should have remembered that. I don't use the quote function very often so forget to use the BBcode button. |
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Post by Bailey on Apr 21, 2018 3:54:30 GMT
Ahhh.....thank you! I should have remembered that. I don't use the quote function very often so forget to use the BBcode button. No problem But I don't know why your cursor was unable to be moved out of the quote box in the first instance. Normally when I click the quote button, the editor opens up in Preview mode with the quote at the top. I then simply click below the quote box to begin my reply. I mainly use the BBcode mode to do multi quotes, remove irrelevant parts of quotes that preview mode won't allow me to remove and the bbcode [hr] tag to draw a horizontal line. BBcode mode gives more flexibility in what you can do/edit, so it is a workaround to fix your original issue but not the normal process. I see many members use the quote function in posts and I am sure they all don't then have to use bbcode to start typing below the quote box. |
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Post by srmoment on Nov 21, 2018 2:11:36 GMT
WOW! Great video.
I also subscribe to OnOne Plus and they have an area where you can get feedback from your peers. You can also learn tons from watching the early videos where the coaches critique submitted images.
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Post by pontiac1940 on Nov 21, 2018 4:24:05 GMT
Thanks Helen. First rate.
A few excellent recommendations, but I think this sticks with me: Enjoy the ride.
When it's no longer fun, then I'll hang 'em up, but until then ....
Clive
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Post by Peterj on Nov 21, 2018 15:29:05 GMT
I believe there's a skill in critiquing that is difficult, especially on line. We have folks in our local photo club who abhor critiques. On the other hand when I critique photos I also learn.
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Post by BuckSkin on Nov 21, 2018 16:28:14 GMT
I know...I couldn't figure out how to post beyond the quote box!!!! How did you write your post to separate the quote box.... You don't have to use BBCode to type outside the quote box. The box outline sometimes completely fills up what you can see, so it is less obvious that you can still type outside the box; in such a situation, you can either nudge down the scroll bar, or just click below the box and the box will scroll up, making space for you to type. Or you can always use BBCode. I hope my poor teaching skills are at least helpful. |
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