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Post by cats4jan on Apr 30, 2018 17:26:28 GMT
I've enjoyed your 'journey' and I'm still torn with all the comments making me think it through. I think I agree with Rita - the mystery of what they are looking at is central to the 'story' And now that I compare your before and after, I kinda like the way you started after all.
However, that cat/tree/squirrel is so cute.
Sometimes we change something and find we like how we started in the first place. And sometimes we work and work a page and never get there. That's half the fun of the hobby. The unknown. It's the same thing for me when I use a template. When I start with a template, I very seldom finish with anything like the template I started with. But, it gets me going and gives me something to think about - that's why I so love templates.
Lillias - You were a good sport in our 'collaborative page' creation. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 17:33:26 GMT
I really like your last version, and actually, the black dog leads me straight down to the title of your page, so my eyes are not falling off.
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Post by jackscrap on Apr 30, 2018 23:17:38 GMT
As much as I liked the first version, I can see now how the positioning of the dogs in this one really puts the icing on the cake. They now look like they are looking out from a much higher vantage point, surveying the fields that are spread out before them. Great job.
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Post by hmca on Apr 30, 2018 23:25:47 GMT
I agree....moving the dogs and frame to to the left improves the overall composition. It gives the dogs some much needed space and I agree that the title anchors the page. Nicely done, Lillias.
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Post by Bailey on Apr 30, 2018 23:53:13 GMT
Hi Billiejean,  Version 2 Yes, v2 is much, much better visually for me but I agree with other comments in that it now looses the mystery of what they are looking at. I assume you would like the dogs to be the subject of the image. In that case I feel the cat and tree are too large. They tend to be part of the subject instead of "food for thought" for the viewer. If possible, perhaps reduce the size of the cat and tree so that it tends to be more of the background. That will be a judgement call on your part.
 Version 3 The positioning of the dogs is really effective now imho, so how can the mystery be put back in? v3 does the job and is ok but there seems to be a litle too much "empty space" on the right imho, but that is just me. Just off the top of my head, maybe smallish sized "scrapbooky" (for want of a better description) type thought bubbles, so that they don't become part of the subject, with an image inside to help prompt the viewer to think about what they might be looking at or thinking of. The images inside could be something like the cat and tree, dogs running on a vast sandy beach, fetching a stick etc etc. But to help just prompt the viewer to think about what they are looking at and so maintain some sense of mystery, I would suggest a maximum of 2 thought bubbles with images and a last one with just a question mark, or something similar, to prompt the viewer to think of other possibilities. The thought bubbles could be placed at appropriate locations on the right side of the image. One option, one image thought bubble in the line of sight of the black dog, the other image thought bubble in the line of sight of the white dog and the third "question mark" thought bubble anywhere appropriate on the right side to balance out the page.
My intention was not to turn this into a major project for you, so both v2, and v3 are much better and are fine and as was mentioned in another thread, you can tinker with a layout ad infinitum and you will always get differing views. Thank you for taking my initial suggestion on board and exploring it, and I'll butt out now  |
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Post by Lillias on May 1, 2018 10:26:01 GMT
Bailey it does no harm to be made to think more about how one composes a page and I appreciate your input even if I might not always agree with it.
In this case the initial positioning of the dogs and frame were wrong and I have rectified that.
I really wasn’t happy myself with the added elements in version 2 and the reaction I got from others confirmed my own thoughts. I did try making those elements smaller as you suggest but it didn’t really work.
Version 3 IMO is the one that hits the right spot – for me at least – so I will just leave it as is now. It might bend the rules of composition for some, but for me it’s fine.
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Post by cats4jan on May 1, 2018 10:26:51 GMT
Unlike glue and paper scrapping, endless tinkering is always a possibility with a digital layout. Even when one has a concrete vision about how a page should look, the execution can send you off in a totally different direction. Since there is truly no right and wrong with "art" (and yes, I do consider digital scrapbooking a form of art) it's incredibly subjective. As is true with any form of art.
However, there are guidelines that, when followed, can make us better scrappers. It was fun to explore these guidelines with you, Lillias.
But, in the end, the only person you have to please is yourself.
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Post by cats4jan on May 1, 2018 10:31:35 GMT
Bailey - how did you get those little scrapbook pages in your response?
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Post by Bailey on May 1, 2018 10:55:53 GMT
Bailey it does no harm to be made to think more about how one composes a page and I appreciate your input even if I might not always agree with it. In this case the initial positioning of the dogs and frame were wrong and I have rectified that. I really wasn’t happy myself with the added elements in version 2 and the reaction I got from others confirmed my own thoughts. I did try making those elements smaller as you suggest but it didn’t really work. Version 3 IMO is the one that hits the right spot – for me at least – so I will just leave it as is now. It might bend the rules of composition for some, but for me it’s fine. No problem BillieJean All people can do is make suggestions to try to help in some way and as cats4jan said, the only one you have to please at the end is yourself, bearing in mind that just like not everyone who looks at my photos is a photographer, not everyone looking at a scrapbook page is a a scrapbooker. |
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Post by Bailey on May 1, 2018 11:07:38 GMT
Bailey - how did you get those little scrapbook pages in your response? Hi cats4jan, I used bbcode (HTML and CSS) to customise the post. I started a thread last week Custom Stylising Your Posts in which I gave 3 examples of custom styling using the bbcode mode of the post editor. When you start a post, by default the editor is in Preview mode. You click the bbcode button in the bottom left corner to switch to bbcode mode. In my post you refer to I just used the existing links to BillieJean's images and scaled and positioned them using CSS. If you are familiar with HTML and CSS, using bbcode is fairly straight forward. This is the bbcode I used in the post you refer to. Hi Billiejean,
[div style="max-width:20%;float:right;margin:0em 1em 0.5em 1em;"]
[img style="width:100%;border:1px solid black;" src="https://preview.ibb.co/jOKxMx/Lola_and_Dexter_01.jpg"]
[p style="text-align:center;"]Version 2[/p]
[/div]
Yes, v2 is much, much better visually for me but I agree with other comments in that it now looses the mystery of what they are looking at.
I assume you would like the dogs to be the subject of the image. In that case I feel the cat and tree are too large. They tend to be part of the subject instead of "food for thought" for the viewer. If possible, perhaps reduce the size of the cat and tree so that it tends to be more of the background. That will be a judgement call on your part.
[hr style="clear:both;width:50%;margin:2em auto 2em auto;"]
[div style="max-width:20%;float:right;margin:0em 1em 0.5em 1em;"]
[img src="https://preview.ibb.co/iKSZJc/Lola_and_Dexter_02.jpg" style="width:100%;border:1px solid black;"]
[p style="text-align:center;"]Version 3[/p]
[/div]
The positioning of the dogs is really effective now imho, so how can the mystery be put back in?
v3 does the job and is ok but there seems to be a litle too much "empty space" on the right imho, but that is just me.
Just off the top of my head, maybe smallish sized "scrapbooky" (for want of a better description) type thought bubbles, so that they don't become part of the subject, with an image inside to help prompt the viewer to think about what they might be looking at or thinking of. The images inside could be something like the cat and tree, dogs running on a vast sandy beach, fetching a stick etc etc. But to help just prompt the viewer to think about what they are looking at and so maintain some sense of mystery, I would suggest a maximum of 2 thought bubbles with images and a last one with just a question mark, or something similar, to prompt the viewer to think of other possibilities.
The thought bubbles could be placed at appropriate locations on the right side of the image. One option, one image thought bubble in the line of sight of the black dog, the other image thought bubble in the line of sight of the white dog and the third "question mark" thought bubble anywhere appropriate on the right side to balance out the page.
[hr style="clear:both;width:50%;margin:2em auto 2em auto;"]My intention was not to turn this into a major project for you, so both v2, and v3 are much better and are fine and as was mentioned in another thread, you can tinker with a layout ad infinitum and you will always get differing views.
Thank you for taking my initial suggestion on board and exploring it, and I'll butt out now [img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png" class="smile" style="max-width:100%;" alt=":)"]
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Post by cats4jan on May 1, 2018 12:15:01 GMT
Way over my head, Bailey, but thanks for the response.
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Post by whippet on May 1, 2018 17:09:36 GMT
Well, me being me, I only noticed the dogs. But having read the comments and looked again, I too think the last picture is the best. To me, the second one is too 'busy'. |
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