Fauxtoto
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Post by Fauxtoto on Jul 29, 2018 19:57:21 GMT
Hi. I now import all my photographs from LR. While importing, LR creates new folders named by date, YMD format. These folders are properly created as different sub-folders under the root folder were all my photographs are stored.
In Elements 14, I did assign this same root folder as a Watch folder. Its whole path shoes properly in the dialoge box obtained throuhg FILE > Watch folders. In this dialogue box, "Watch folder and their sub-folder for new files" is clicked. When I go in the folders pane on the left of the Organizer screen, the binoculer pictogram does appear on the root folder image.
However, Elements 14 ignores the pictures imported and the folders created by LR, whether I cliclk the dialogue box "Notify Me" or "Automatically Add files to Elements organizer".
Is there anything else I can do to activate the root folder as a watch folder, or is it simply not working?
Thanks.
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Post by Major Major on Jul 29, 2018 20:11:05 GMT
Fauxtoto-
Sorry, I don't have an answer for you since I don't use either program. But I am curious as to why you use two programs to organize your photos.
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Post by Bailey on Jul 30, 2018 3:18:25 GMT
Hi fauxtoto,
I am not a LR user but I use the Organiser extensively as my image catalogue.
I don't now if this helps, but I see sometimes that in my PSE 14 Watch Folders does not detect new images copied to anywhere below my images root folder if the Organiser was minimised in the Windows task bar while adding new images below the root folder and subsequently "maximised". I find I need to close the Organiser and then reopen it after which the Organiser sees the newly added images and asks me which to import into the Organiser.
Hope this helps  (at least as a work-around) |
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Fauxtoto
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Post by Fauxtoto on Jul 31, 2018 11:25:03 GMT
Fauxtoto-
Sorry, I don't have an answer for you since I don't use either program. But I am curious as to why you use two programs to organize your photos.
Hi Major Major, The truth is that I see no use in keeping up with two organizing systems (Organizer and LR). To make a long story short, I would say that in my case it is more a question of transition as I am getting more confident with my new workflow between LR and Elements, and more clear in my mind on the new back-up strategy I will need to follow. At the present time it is no big deal, since almost everything is already in both programs. However, I will soon stop updating the Organizer. The vast majority of the photos in my library is from the time I was only using Elements with the Organizer, before I added LR. I must say that the Organizer served me well. I still believe it is a good program. |
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Fauxtoto
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Post by Fauxtoto on Aug 1, 2018 10:43:34 GMT
Thanks Bailey,
Your suggestion did not work for me. I observe though that what you have experienced also puts into question the reliability of the Watch Folders function, which to a certain extent tends to defeat the purpose. For the reasons explained above and because it is not an essential feature, I will not sweat on it.
If I ever happen to find an explanation or solution, I will post it in this thread. In the meanwhile, at least, we will know we are not alone!
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Post by michelb on Aug 1, 2018 15:18:30 GMT
Thanks Bailey, Your suggestion did not work for me. I observe though that what you have experienced also puts into question the reliability of the Watch Folders function, which to a certain extent tends to defeat the purpose. For the reasons explained above and because it is not an essential feature, I will not sweat on it. If I ever happen to find an explanation or solution, I will post it in this thread. In the meanwhile, at least, we will know we are not alone! There has been a change in the way the 'watched folders' feature is implemented in new Elements versions. You don't find it as a Windows service now. It seems it only starts when you open the organizer.
I have never trusted it and there are many complaints about it, so I totally understand your position.
When I have a situation like in the original post, I simply reimport totally the master folder. Already present files are ignored, new ones are added, which is what you expect from the 'watched folders'. The big difference is that you start the search when you decide, not in a background task you don't master. Just like backups, repair or optimize, it's something best done when you are away from your computer. Doing it manually, you can see that it takes time and a lot of processing power. I don't see how a background task could be more effective and faster...
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 2, 2018 4:51:17 GMT
There has been a change in the way the 'watched folders' feature is implemented in new Elements versions. You don't find it as a Windows service now. It seems it only starts when you open the organizer. I have never trusted it and there are many complaints about it, so I totally understand your position.
When I have a situation like in the original post, I simply reimport totally the master folder. Already present files are ignored, new ones are added, which is what you expect from the 'watched folders'. The big difference is that you start the search when you decide, not in a background task you don't master. Just like backups, repair or optimize, it's something best done when you are away from your computer. Doing it manually, you can see that it takes time and a lot of processing power. I don't see how a background task could be more effective and faster... Michel, I am with you on this one; I don't use the Watched Folders feature. It is too buggy and I don't trust it. Also, I don't like having to use workarounds to make a feature work. I prefer doing my own "watch" manually.
I didn't realize there had been a change in this feature. You are absolutely right! When I followed the path below, I found the Adobe Active File Monitor (Status = Started; Startup Type = Automatic) for Elements 14 and earlier but not for Elements 15 and 2018.
Control Panel\System and Security\Administrative Tools\Services\ . . .
Do you know what Adobe is using now to track the files which are managed by the Organizer?
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Post by Bailey on Aug 2, 2018 7:44:33 GMT
Maybe my workflow is different to most but I have no problem with using Watch Folders.
Normally when I arrive back home after taking a batch of photos I copy them from my camera card to a folder under my images root folder on my computer. I then open the Organiser and Watch Folders detects all the new images without fail. It's only on rare occasions where I already have the Organiser minimised in the task bar that Watch Folders might not detect new images. But it takes only about 20 secs to shut down the Organiser and restart it again after which Watch Folders has always detected the new images.
I don't mind sacrificing 20 secs. of my life to shutdown/restart the Organiser as, for me, it has many, many, many more pros than cons .
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Post by michelb on Aug 2, 2018 14:25:46 GMT
Do you know what Adobe is using now to track the files which are managed by the Organizer?
No, I have not found anything about the new way. |
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Fauxtoto
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Post by Fauxtoto on Aug 3, 2018 0:48:40 GMT
I simply reimport totally the master folder. Not only simple, but also smart. Thank you Michelb. |
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 4, 2018 0:53:26 GMT
Do you know what Adobe is using now to track the files which are managed by the Organizer?
No, I have not found anything about the new way. Thanks, Michel! Hopefully the new way is more effective. I didn't really like the old way. The Adobe Active File Monitor always ran in the background even when Elements was closed. |
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Post by Bailey on Aug 4, 2018 2:21:45 GMT
Thanks, Michel! Hopefully the new way is more effective. I didn't really like the old way. The Adobe Active File Monitor always ran in the background even when Elements was closed. On my Win7 SP1 the Adobe File Monitor windows service is using up only a miniscule amount of RAM and CPU and so it running all the time is not an issue at all for me. Whichever way Adobe monitor new image files shouldn't matter to the normal end user, as long as it works  |
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 4, 2018 2:52:25 GMT
I simply reimport totally the master folder. Not only simple, but also smart. Thank you Michelb. Fauxtoto, I totally agree with you.
Michel, thanks from me as well!
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Post by Bailey on Aug 4, 2018 3:01:46 GMT
Thanks Bailey, Your suggestion did not work for me. I observe though that what you have experienced also puts into question the reliability of the Watch Folders function, which to a certain extent tends to defeat the purpose. For the reasons explained above and because it is not an essential feature, I will not sweat on it. If I ever happen to find an explanation or solution, I will post it in this thread. In the meanwhile, at least, we will know we are not alone! No problem Fauxtoto  , I'm sorry my suggestion doesn't work on your computer. It works on mine as I posted earlier Maybe you have a different OS (I have Win7 SP1) and I don't have LR on my computer, so that might be the reason it doesn't work on your computer. |
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 4, 2018 3:52:57 GMT
Thanks, Michel! Hopefully the new way is more effective. I didn't really like the old way. The Adobe Active File Monitor always ran in the background even when Elements was closed. On my Win7 SP1 the Adobe File Monitor windows service is using up only a miniscule amount of RAM and CPU and so it running all the time is not an issue at all for me. I am afraid some clarification is needed (at the risk of derailing this thread).
The issue with the Adobe Active File Monitor (as a service) has nothing to do with RAM or CPU. In earlier Elements versions (pre-11 version), it also kept track of the databases "catering" to the Editor's Content and Effects panels. This means that, if you didn't want to use the Organizer and disabled this service, you would have a problem. For example, if you added third-party layer styles, effects, etc., they would not show up in these panels. You would have to enable the Adobe Active File Monitor for the installation of these add-ons and then disable it again.
More information on the Adobe Active File Monitor and the role it plays in Elements (Watched Folders, Organizer, etc.) can be found in Barbara Brundage's The Missing Manual (Chapter 2: Importing, Managing, and Saving Photos).
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(at least as a work-around)
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