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Sept 24, 2018 16:40:23 GMT
Post by michelb on Sept 24, 2018 16:40:23 GMT
Yes, the reconnection process in Organizer is flaky, especially compared to the Lightroom solution. It can work very well on a moved folder and its subfolders when you know the old location. It can also work on renamed files and folders. There are several situations when I prefer to move a folder from the Explorer and immediately reconnect.
The trouble is when you want to reconnect a photo library stored on the same exact path on a different drive as already discussed on this discussion.
Here is another interesting discussion:
Yes, I can imagine those painful hours of manually reconnecting. 
I don't really hope Adobe will change its reconnection process, so, do like me:
Don't store your photo library in the 'Pictures' library!
Create your own library under a new master folder like 'MyPhotos' directly under the root folder of the chosen drive. - The path will be shorter, without an apparent duplication between the 'Users' folder and its 'Pictures' shortcut.
- the option to restore folder structure will never fail - It's easier to also use alternative backup solutions like Microsoft Synctoy in addition to the standard backup and restore method.
- Your photo library is separate from other possible media stored by other softwares in 'Pictures'? You can move it where you want by drag and drop in the folders panel. Even on another drive. - The very few people using Sqlite to reconnect to another drive will find it easier.
By the way, it makes sense to store your library on an external USB3 drive. It's ideal to share between your desktop and laptop if you also store the catalog on the external drive. It may be necessary with small SSDs as main drive. It's another way to easily migrate to another computer without the backup and restore method.
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HappyScot
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Sept 24, 2018 20:18:02 GMT
Post by HappyScot on Sept 24, 2018 20:18:02 GMT
That would have made things so much simpler for the future if I had known that! Big question now is: Do I do that now when my photos are at a manageable size (20000+) or do I wait and do it sometime in the future when I will have a lot more photos?  ?? Can I really sit for another 4-5+ hours fixing stuff? Maybe not tomorrow but certainly in the next month. I do have an external drive, or two, but I have a 2TB hard drive on the computer so it would be lying empty without my photos on it. I back up data once a week and a full system every month. |
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Sept 25, 2018 13:38:38 GMT
Post by HappyScot on Sept 25, 2018 13:38:38 GMT
My saga continues. Could not get Photoshop Elements to work today. Wondered if this was part of my Organizer problem. Decided to sign out of it on my old pc just to tidy things up (had to reconnect it all again), and then to reinstall it all on my new pc but this time, install the program files on my D drive.
First problem - could not get the dvd drive to read a disk on my new computer- disk stuck in drive. Over an hour on the phone to Dell support. CD eventually extracted but drive would still not read a disk. This was after I had uninstalled all PE bits.
Decided to download it all from Adobe...………….
SO far I have spent 5 hours just to get myself back to where I was yesterday. Was going to move all my photos again today but decided not to.
It's been one of those days so far!
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Sept 25, 2018 16:40:13 GMT
Post by Peterj on Sept 25, 2018 16:40:13 GMT
Possibly I'm off base here ... Whenever I've installed a new PSE version, or wanted to move my image store to another drive I abandon the existing catalogue, start a new one, and import to a new cat. Works for me, but possibly only the way I use PSE.
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Sept 25, 2018 20:05:28 GMT
Post by HappyScot on Sept 25, 2018 20:05:28 GMT
Peterj. Where does Organizer keep all the keywords and tags for each image? I thought they were all kept in the catalog so although I thought about creating a new catalog, I didn't want to have to start from scratch tagging all my photos again.
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Sept 25, 2018 20:15:57 GMT
Post by Peterj on Sept 25, 2018 20:15:57 GMT
Not exactly certain - good guess metadata.
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Sept 25, 2018 22:09:48 GMT
Post by Bailey on Sept 25, 2018 22:09:48 GMT
Peterj . Where does Organizer keep all the keywords and tags for each image? I thought they were all kept in the catalog so although I thought about creating a new catalog, I didn't want to have to start from scratch tagging all my photos again. Not exactly certain - good guess metadata. Metadata is not a storage location/medium. It is a type of data. One way of thinking of it is as data about data. Keywords, tags etc are metadata and are stored in various tables in the Organizers catalogue file which is actually a SQLite database file. |
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Sept 25, 2018 23:04:29 GMT
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Post by HappyScot on Sept 25, 2018 23:04:29 GMT
I think I am at the end of my journey! Touch wood. My photos are all where I want them, all in the catalog, catalog is where I want it and all backed up.
I still have the organiser not ending properly but I know how to fix it. Hopefully the Dell engineer will be able to help me with that.
Thanks to everyone for their help and patience. The more I know the more I forget!!
Two HUGE lessons:
Do everything inside Organizer
Remember, the Organizer will only restore the images in it!!!! You will still have to manually restore images not in the Organizer!! A point I overlooked for half a day!!!
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Sept 25, 2018 23:19:33 GMT
Post by Peterj on Sept 25, 2018 23:19:33 GMT
Not exactly certain - good guess metadata. Metadata is not a storage location/medium. It is a type of data. One way of thinking of it is as data about data. Keywords, tags etc are metadata and are stored in various tables in the Organizers catalogue file which is actually a SQLite database file. Thanks for the clarification Bailey , I shouldn't have assumed that everyone would know that metadata is data and not a database.... probably should have stated " good guess AS metadata"
Maybe I'm mistaken [correct me if so] that most all the data associated with a particular image is stored as meta data, of course not the actual image data.
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Sept 26, 2018 2:45:45 GMT
Post by BuckSkin on Sept 26, 2018 2:45:45 GMT
The best way to determine whether metadata has actually been written to the jpeg file is to hilite the specific jpeg file, right-click, select "Properties", and then open the "details" tab; all metadata that has actually been written into the jpeg file will be displayed there.
Title
Subject
Keyword Tags
Comment
Author
Date Taken
Copyright
Camera and Lens Info
Exposure Info
Geolocation Info,
and a host of other information
Some programs do not write the keyword tags to the jpeg file unless you specifically command it to do so; I do not like that behavior and it is one of the many reasons that I abandoned the Organizer.
FastStone is the best program I have used for checking and correcting the files metadata and setting date taken to the correct time after some other program has corrupted it.
Many programs will erradicate and corrupt the files metadata and I have found the Organizer to be the worst culprit for this.
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Sept 26, 2018 3:26:31 GMT
Post by Bailey on Sept 26, 2018 3:26:31 GMT
Peterj . Where does Organizer keep all the keywords and tags for each image? I thought they were all kept in the catalog so although I thought about creating a new catalog, I didn't want to have to start from scratch tagging all my photos again. Metadata is not a storage location/medium. It is a type of data. One way of thinking of it is as data about data. Keywords, tags etc are metadata and are stored in various tables in the Organizers catalogue file which is actually a SQLite database file. Thanks for the clarification Bailey , I shouldn't have assumed that everyone would know that metadata is data and not a database.... probably should have stated " good guess AS metadata" Maybe I'm mistaken [correct me if so] that most all the data associated with a particular image is stored as meta data, of course not the actual image data.
Regarding - HappyScot is 100% correct. The answer to her question is, as she and I said, in the catalog (database file). You can access/view/edit the data records in the various tables in the database catalog as I described in my previous post. As I mentioned earlier, the term metadata is just a description for the type of data you are referring to (keywords, categories, abums, exposure settings, date taken etc). It is not an actual storage location/medium.
Anyone saying to me something is stored as "metadata" doesn't tell me where it is stored, which is what HappyScot asked about, or how it is stored. Metadata about anything can be stored in databases, spreadsheets, exif image data etc etc etc etc. would be an answer to the question "What type of data is stored in the Organizer catalogue?" which is not what was asked. HTH and clarifies  |
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Sept 26, 2018 3:48:17 GMT
Post by Bailey on Sept 26, 2018 3:48:17 GMT
... Many programs will erradicate and corrupt the files metadata and I have found the Organizer to be the worst culprit for this. That's interesting Buckskin. I am a huge fan/user of the Organiser. I have been using it since PSE7, then PSE 10 and currently PSE14 and have never had any data corruption issues with Organizer. |
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Sept 26, 2018 7:45:49 GMT
Post by BuckSkin on Sept 26, 2018 7:45:49 GMT
I am a huge fan/user of the Organiser. I have been using it since PSE7, then PSE 10 and currently PSE14 and have never had any data corruption issues with Organizer. Alas, I wish my experiences could have been the same; I could have saved hours of putting things back to rights. I am not alone in this as there is a 3rd party program that was specifically created to fix the mess that the Organizer makes --- PsedbTool www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/I can only speak for E7 and E12, but these are just a few of the problems I can always expect whenever the Organizer sees any of my image files: Date Taken timestamp will be corrupted to agree with Greenwich Mean Time and this corrupted date/time will be written to the file = every image file that goes in the organizer will be timestamped as if it were taken in Greenwich. Author and Copyright will be omitted. Subject and Comments will be replaced with whatever was entered in the title space. Countless file names will have an erroneous suffix added to them, thus breaking their connection with the Organizer that put the erroneous suffix there in the first place. I went for two years with my computer clock set to Greenwich time just to keep my timestamps from being messed with. It was at this point that I decided the Organizer was not worth the hassle and started using digiKam for all of my keyword tagging and geolocating; I use FastStone for all of my renaming, organizing and metadata writing, and resizing for web. I am happy for you that you are able to use the Organizer without any hassles; the same has definitely not been my or my wife's experiences. |
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Sept 26, 2018 11:47:50 GMT
Post by Bailey on Sept 26, 2018 11:47:50 GMT
... ... Two HUGE lessons: Do everything inside Organizer Remember, the Organizer will only restore the images in it!!!! You will still have to manually restore images not in the Organizer!! A point I overlooked for half a day!!! Very happy to hear you are up and running now. And your 2 lessons are very important. Doing everything through the Organizer (moving files, adding/editing/deleting tags, albums etc)is definitely the safest way because it will mean the Organiser will run the appropriate SQL database commands on its catalog to perform your task and will minimise the chance of the data records in the Organizer's catalog/database becoming out of sync with the actual images on your hard disk drive. |
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Sept 27, 2018 13:18:51 GMT
Post by michelb on Sept 27, 2018 13:18:51 GMT
I am a huge fan/user of the Organiser. I have been using it since PSE7, then PSE 10 and currently PSE14 and have never had any data corruption issues with Organizer. Alas, I wish my experiences could have been the same; I could have saved hours of putting things back to rights. I am not alone in this as there is a 3rd party program that was specifically created to fix the mess that the Organizer makes --- PsedbTool www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/I can only speak for E7 and E12, but these are just a few of the problems I can always expect whenever the Organizer sees any of my image files: Date Taken timestamp will be corrupted to agree with Greenwich Mean Time and this corrupted date/time will be written to the file = every image file that goes in the organizer will be timestamped as if it were taken in Greenwich. Author and Copyright will be omitted. Subject and Comments will be replaced with whatever was entered in the title space. Countless file names will have an erroneous suffix added to them, thus breaking their connection with the Organizer that put the erroneous suffix there in the first place. I went for two years with my computer clock set to Greenwich time just to keep my timestamps from being messed with. It was at this point that I decided the Organizer was not worth the hassle and started using digiKam for all of my keyword tagging and geolocating; I use FastStone for all of my renaming, organizing and metadata writing, and resizing for web. I am happy for you that you are able to use the Organizer without any hassles; the same has definitely not been my or my wife's experiences. Buckskin, I'd like to comment on your mention of John R Ellis (each of your precise issues would need a separate individual discussion)
He has been the best expert for the Organizer for years. Start by reading his extraordinary contributions: And note that from June 2018, he has stopped looking at the organizer.
Read his negative review for Amazon if you can (my link is not longer valid).
Have a deeper look at the help file of his psesdbtool you linked to, and also at his :
So, his invaluable help stopped 8 years ago, but what is left is the sum of the best possible help as well the strongly negative effect of the long list of issues (with solutions and workarounds) and a negative Amazon review at that time.
Now he is the number one help contributor for metadata handling in the Adobe feedback forum. It appears that there are ten times more metadata issues in LR CC and Classic, Photoshop CC and Bridge than in the organizer... I am learning something from each of his posts there.
It's a real pity that nobody wanted (or was able) to update those three tools, faqs, psedbtool, editinacr; The psedbtool is not meant to solve your database problems, it's meant to explain how the catalog does work so that YOU can solve your problems. Ideally, Adobe should add themselves an advanced option to show the state and details of the volumes in the catalog. I no longer wait for a way to open raws directly in ACR .
Now, time passed and the organizer is now at the same time a very old software, a 'consumer product' managed by an Indian team in Adobe line... and a software with very powerful automatic tools and innovation. John R Ellis would not recognize it. I am 'old school' and don't care much for fancy tools for my own use (face recognition, geotagging...) but I much prefer the huge progress in the search tools, the interesting smart tagging and more. Obviously I can't hope for radical changes of the old features (PSE6 would still make me happy) but really, I much prefer working with the organizer than with the current versions of LR (CC Cloud or Classic). Both more user friendly and much faster.
Time passes...
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