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Post by pontiac1940 on Jul 2, 2019 1:58:26 GMT
What the heck did I do? Or what changed overnight in PSE 2018? I open raw files in ACR and then open in PSE. Always have. After opening in PSE (after ACR), my normal flow is to mess with the image: I might crop and resize (for posting), do minor level changes or possibly sharpen with unsharp mask. Depends. And then I would save as a JPEG and life was good. To save, I usually hit <ctrl><shift><S> and then save as JPEGs. Jpeg was always the default format saving from the opened ARW raw file. The new file name I just typed in the save as window then appeared at the top of the image window...and the extension changed automatically to jpg. But ... Two nights ago, I opened some new raw files from ARC to PSE 2018 and did resizing etc and when I went to save, the default was PSD instead of JPEG ... and the default save format has always been JPEG. So I changed the save file format to JPEG (in "Save as type") and saved. The filename in the upper image window stayed as the out-of-camera ARW file name, such as CAS03711.ARW. (If I now save as PSD format, instead of saving as a jpg, then the extension in the active image changes to PSD and if I type a new file name (say, tree swallow CAS03737.PSD) the file name changes in the window frame as well.) Then when I lose the raw file (after saving as jpg) it asks if I want to save it..remember I'd made changes to it. Has never done that after automatically saving as JPEG. I looked in preferences under "saving files" and can't see any clues there. Reset the preferences, closed PSE and restarted. Nope. This PSE change to the "save as" process is driving me crazy (short trip). I hope that I've explained it well here and in four new screen snips. Would you happen to know why the saving process all of a sudden changed and, if so, how do I fix it? Wild guess it is that this a one button fix somewhere...maybe. Hope so. I never changed any preferences or messed behind the scenes. PSE is always shut down properly in evenings and I've never had to do a "hard" shut down. Between the Chrome mess up 2 weeks ago and now this, I am considering taking up knitting.  Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. Hope it is a simple fix. Thanks! Clive I hope the above explanation and these snips explain it well enough... In this top snip, I should have written something like Tree swallow CAS03727.jpg for the new file name. 
Upon "save as" the "Save as type" default was always jpg .. until 2 days ago.   And, no, I'd never save as "Quality 10" .. always 12  |
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Post by Sepiana on Jul 2, 2019 3:06:57 GMT
What the heck did I do? Or what changed overnight in PSE 2018? Two nights ago, I opened some new raw files from ARC to PSE 2018 and did resizing etc and when I went to save, the default was PSD instead of JPEG ... and the default save format has always been JPEG. Clive, a very long shot in the dark . . . Did those files have layers? When they have layers, the default "Save As" will change to PSD. Try editing a file with no layers; "Save As" will return to the JPEG default. As to the notice that "never appeared before June 29", . . . it looks like your file was 16-bit. |
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Post by Bailey on Jul 2, 2019 4:10:29 GMT
Hi Clive,
I'm not not sure if this is any help but this is the normal behaviour of my PSE.
1. If I open a raw file via ACR -> PSE or .psd file directly into the PSE editor, File->Save As always defaults to PSD format regardless whether the opened image in the PSE editor has a single or multiple layers.
2. If I open a .jpg file into PSE then File->Save As always defaults to PSD format if I end up with multiple layers after editing or JPG format if there is only a single layer after editing.
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Post by pontiac1940 on Jul 2, 2019 4:55:58 GMT
Thanks Sepiana and Bailey. No layers. If I just open the raw file from ACR to PSE and immediately save it the default is now PSD...which of course I can immediately save as a jpg. But that adds to the storage volume and number of steps...which I can always delete immediately. Bailey said, "If I open a raw file via ACR -> PSE or .psd file directly into the PSE editor, File->Save As always defaults to PSD format regardless whether the opened image in the PSE editor has a single or multiple layers." And mine never has done that until two days ago. If I am going through a lot of photos, sometimes I just want to save 3 or 4 for posting on FB or forums and have no plans to print, so just want smaller jpgs. (I can always go back, and often do, to the original raw file and re-open in ACR.) Most odd. I could try uninstalling PSE 2018, but not keen on that idea. This is not life changing but 1) it adds to my normal lazy work flow and 2) it is disconcerting that I did nothing behind the scenes. Kinda like Chrome 2 or 3 weeks back. Maybe the zeros and ones are trying to tell me something. Thanks ... appreciate the feedback. I'll keep looking. Clive |
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Post by Sepiana on Jul 2, 2019 5:22:40 GMT
No layers. If I just open the raw file from ACR to PSE and immediately save it the default is now PSD... I could try uninstalling PSE 2018, but not keen on that idea. Clive, while I waited to hear from you, I did some checking with Adobe. The thread below confirms what I had said about the role of layers in "Save As". Then, I checked all the PSE versions I have (nine of them!!!). The results were consistent. forums.adobe.com/thread/943774 Don't uninstall PSE. You mentioned you had already reset the Preferences file; it didn't fix the problem. Let's see if PSE is being "finicky" about permission levels. Try this. 1. Right-click on the desktop shortcut and select "Run as administrator". 2. Proceed with your editing -- ACR, Editor, Save As, etc. 3. If the problem is gone, close PSE. 4. Open PSE again but this time do it from your standard user account. |
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Post by pontiac1940 on Jul 2, 2019 5:40:41 GMT
Thanks Sepiana!
I'm in bed now but will try in the morning and report back.
Clive
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Post by Sepiana on Jul 2, 2019 6:09:30 GMT
Thanks Sepiana! I'm in bed now but will try in the morning and report back. Clive, you may not have to try that. I have just thought of something. Hopefully I am on the right track. Let's recap . . . - This problem began two nights ago. - At the same time that notice about 8-bit appeared in the JPEG Options dialog. As I said earlier, that notice will pop up when you are working with a 16-bit file. So, I took the troubleshooting into another direction; I tested the -bit variable. Here are my findings: 16-bit file -- "Save As" defaults to PSD. 8-bit file -- "Save As" defaults to JPEG. Try changing the mode of those files to 8-bit. You can do it inside the Raw Converter (the Depth box at the bottom of the screen). Or you can do it inside the Editor (Image>Mode>8-bits/Channel). |
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Post by Bailey on Jul 2, 2019 6:53:25 GMT
Thanks Sepiana and Bailey. ... Bailey said, "If I open a raw file via ACR -> PSE or .psd file directly into the PSE editor, File->Save As always defaults to PSD format regardless whether the opened image in the PSE editor has a single or multiple layers." And mine never has done that until two days ago. If I am going through a lot of photos, sometimes I just want to save 3 or 4 for posting on FB or forums and have no plans to print, so just want smaller jpgs. (I can always go back, and often do, to the original raw file and re-open in ACR.) Most odd. No problem Clive. That is the way File->Save As has always worked in my PSE 14. Fwiw, intuitively that is the way I would want it anyway. If I open a raw or psd file I want the default save format to be psd regardless of how many layers are in the layer stack. I wouldn't want jpeg to be the default because even at the max. quality setting there is some compression of the image data. If I open a jpeg then if I have only 1 layer then a jpg default save format is OK. If I have multiple layers after editing then I want psd as the default to preserve the layers. In any case, as you are aware you can always over ride default settings in the dialogue box. I always routinely check the default settings to make sure they are what I want, especially the colour space that is embedded into the saved file. I wouldn't think your issue should lead you to take up knitting, especially as knitting is not as issue free as it might sound . Hopefully Detective Sepiana can find a solution or workaround for you. |
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Post by michelb on Jul 2, 2019 9:22:40 GMT
In short, there is nothing wrong nor new in what you have just discovered. It has always been like this for me.
Would you like to play with me to check the same workflow?
I'll start with the default .psd save as format, then follow with the message to save the raw file. 1 - For the first issue, it's totally irrelevant that the file you are "saving as" comes from a raw file. The behaviour is the same for an original jpeg file. What has not been mentioned in the discussion up to now is that there is a frequent case where you are prompted to save as psd. Beside layered or 16 bits files, you have files to which you have applied a command or filter which requires a layer and not a background. For instance, test the distort command or the 'correct camera distortion' filter. You are warned that the background has to be transformed to a normal layer. To check, show your layers panel. By default, you'll always be prompted to save as psd. If you don't want to, you either 'flatten' even if there is a single layer, or you select manually the jpeg format. Note that if you save as psd, that setting should be kept in your preferences. That's something to check for you. If you save again as jpeg, the 'save as' dialog should be remembered in other circumstances. 2 - In the same conditions as described in the original post, I also get the same message to save the ACR edited file after I have saved a version from the editor. I don't know exactly why this message happens, probably because some metadata setting (history?) could be changed, but I have always ignored that saving prompt, knowing that once a raw file is opened in the bitmap editor, everything is already saved in the catalog and probably the xmp sidecar file. I'll have to check what happens when I edit a jpeg in the ACR. The settings of the sliders are saved in the catalog, but I am not sure if they are also saved in the file itself. That's not needed anyway, so I always ignore the saving message. I'll come back when I have time to experiment more.
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Post by blackmutt on Jul 2, 2019 9:49:44 GMT
Don’t do it, Clive, knitting has needles and they are sharp!
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Post by Bailey on Jul 2, 2019 12:06:27 GMT
Hi Sepiana, ../ As I said earlier, that notice will pop up when you are working with a 16-bit file. So, I took the troubleshooting into another direction; I tested the -bit variable. Here are my findings: 16-bit file -- "Save As" defaults to PSD. 8-bit file -- "Save As" defaults to JPEG. ... I work only with 8 bit files in PSE 14 because support for 16 bit is very limited. With 8 bit images in my PSE 14 File->Save As defaults to PSD format for images that were opened as raw or psd regardless of the number of layers I end up with prior to saving. The only time File->Save As defaults to JPEG is if I first opened a .jpg image and I have only 1 layer (Background layer type) when I save the image. If I have more than 1 layer after editing the .jpg then my File->Save As defaults to PSD format. If the single layer is a normal and not background layer then File->Save As defaults to PSD. From my reading of michelb's post, this is consistent with how he says File->Save As works. |
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Post by pontiac1940 on Jul 2, 2019 15:06:33 GMT
Thanks to michelb, Bailey and Sepiana!! Sepiana has nailed it!! Thank you! Thank you!
16-bit file -- "Save As" defaults to PSD.
8-bit file -- "Save As" defaults to JPEG.
Try changing the mode of those files to 8-bit. You can do it inside the Raw Converter (the Depth box at the bottom of the screen). Or you can do it inside the Editor (Image>Mode>8-bits/Channel).
Yes! That's it Sepiana! Thanks so much. (BTW, opening as admin did not work.) Where should I send your reward? I absolutely deny fiddling with that 16-bit vs 8-bit window in ACR  ... certainly possible. Would not be the first time I messed up, but honestly had no reason to play with that window. Perhaps my old "old fumble fingers." As Bailey said, "Hopefully Detective Sepiana can find a solution or workaround for you." Yes! Thanks all! Clive |
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Post by Bailey on Jul 2, 2019 21:15:31 GMT
There ya go. I thought she might |
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Post by pontiac1940 on Jul 3, 2019 1:22:12 GMT
Don’t do it, Clive, knitting has needles and they are sharp! So then Judy, you are suggesting if I can "injure" myself with software (PSE and Chrome), I'd be a disaster with knitting needles?! HA! Probably have to knit with blood-red yarn. Thanks again for everyone's input and especially to Sepiana for sleuthing this. Clive |
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Post by Sepiana on Jul 4, 2019 3:18:05 GMT
Sepiana has nailed it!! Thank you! Thank you!
16-bit file -- "Save As" defaults to PSD.
8-bit file -- "Save As" defaults to JPEG.
Try changing the mode of those files to 8-bit. You can do it inside the Raw Converter (the Depth box at the bottom of the screen). Or you can do it inside the Editor (Image>Mode>8-bits/Channel).
Yes! That's it Sepiana! Thanks so much. (BTW, opening as admin did not work.) Where should I send your reward? Clive, you are most welcome! Glad we can now declare this case closed. You already gave me my reward when you said . . . "That's it". |
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... certainly possible. Would not be the first time I messed up, but honestly had no reason to play with that window. Perhaps my old "old fumble fingers."