frizzylee
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Post by frizzylee on May 25, 2020 19:44:35 GMT
I have a page for a photo book which contains a total of 15 photos. I want to separate these photos into 3 groups: 8 photos on the left, 4 photos on the top right and 3 photos on the bottom right.
Can anyone tell me a relatively easy way to create these three groups by using a border around each?
I've been working on this miserable page for 3 days now. I thought it would be easy to draw the lines around each group, but so far Googling the answer has produced methods that are going to take me another three days. I just want a thin, black line around each.
Hope I've explained this correctly.
Pat
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Post by Chris on May 25, 2020 20:22:04 GMT
Pat, do you want to make a separate rectangular border around each group or just separate the groups using 2 straight lines placed at right angles? In the example below you can use the brush tool or the pencil tool to draw straight lines. 1- Choose your foreground colour. 2- Use a separate layer for each line so you can move them around. 3- Click and drag while holding the shift key to get a vertical or horizontal line. I am sure you will receive some more suggestions. Kind regards Chris
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Post by Sepiana on May 25, 2020 20:27:22 GMT
I have a page for a photo book which contains a total of 15 photos. I want to separate these photos into 3 groups: 8 photos on the left, 4 photos on the top right and 3 photos on the bottom right.
Can anyone tell me a relatively easy way to create these three groups by using a border around each? Pat, there is more than one way to accomplish what you want. Assuming the 3 photo groups are individual files (not yet merged with the background file): 1. Open your group file. 2. In the Layers panel, click on the "Create a new layer" icon. (Or you can go to Layer>New>Layer.) 3. Select>All (Ctrl-/Cmmd-A). You will see marching ants around your group file. 4. Go to Edit>Stroke (Outline) Selection. In the dialog box, enter the stroke width and color of your choice. For Location select Inside. 5. Select>Deselect (Ctrl-/Cmmd-D). NOTE:The advantage of having the stroke on its own layer is that it gives you more flexibility in editing. You can change its color, width; apply a bevel, texture, etc. If you decide you don't want the stroke, just delete this layer. Assuming the 3 photo groups are already merged with the background file:1. Make a selection of the group using the Rectangular Marquee tool (M). 2. Place your selection on its own layer (Ctrl-/Cmmd-J). 3. Follow Steps 2 through 5 as delineated above.
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frizzylee
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Post by frizzylee on May 25, 2020 23:01:15 GMT
Thank you to both Chris and Sepiana for their timely responses. Unfortunately, I am having a bad time with this seemingly simple task. This page exists as both a psd file and a jpg file. I will send a screenshot of the psd layers file. I'm not really sure what it means to open the group file. I am assuming the psd layers file means it is not yet merged with the background file. So I went ahead and selected each of the separate photos (layers) in the group on the left hand side. That's a total of eight layers. I then followed the instructions for "Assuming the 3 photo groups are individual files. . . " When I did instruction number 3, Select>All (Ctrl-/Cmmd-A), the marching ants were not around those eight photos, they were around the whole page. No matter what I did, I always ended up with marching ants around the whole page. I think there may be a problem down in the layers column. At the bottom I added another layer that is cream colored. I decided after all the photos had been added to the page that I needed the background to be a color other than white.
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Post by fotofrank on May 26, 2020 0:39:05 GMT
Please try this, Add a new blank Layer at the very top. Select the rectangular marquee tool. Mate a selection around the photos you want to group. Go to Edit > Stroke select black for the color, and try a width of 10 px - if that isn't correct press ctrl/cmd+z to undo and try it again with a larger or smaller width. Duplicate that layer (ctrl/cmd+j) Press ctrl+cmd+t to transform us the handles on the bounding box to move it around the next group. Duplicate that layer (ctrl/cmd+j) Press ctrl+cmd+t to transform us the handles on the bounding box to move it around the next group.
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Post by Sepiana on May 26, 2020 0:56:05 GMT
This page exists as both a psd file and a jpg file. I am assuming the psd layers file means it is not yet merged with the background file. Yes, the screen shot of your layer stack (PSD file) shows that the photos in each group are not merged with the background layer. Open your group file means -- go to the File menu on the top bar and do File>Open> . . . (It was assumed that each photo group was a separate file, with the photos on a solid-color background.) Left Group -- 8 photos + background Top Right Group -- 4 photos + background Bottom Right Group -- 3 photos + background Then, when you did Select>All (Ctrl-/Cmmd-A), the marching ants would be around the background of the given group, not around the whole page for your photo book. I checked your screen shot. Instead of having all the individual photos for each group + the cream-colored background in one single PSD file. I believe it will be easier if you take this approach. It will also give you more editing flexibility. 1. Create three files, one for each group (photos + background). 2. Save each file as PSD (if you want to preserve the layers). If not, save each file as JPG. Then, the next step will be to apply the stroke to each group file following the steps posted earlier. Once you have done this, you can proceed to add these groups to your photo book page.
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Post by HappyScot on May 26, 2020 18:57:52 GMT
Frizzylee - there are always more than one way to do something in PE so just use the method you feel most comfortable with (or can understand!). Fotofrank's method is I think the easiest to understand and will take you only a few minutes to do. Basically you draw the box round the first group of pics using the rectangular marquee tool to enclose them (on a separate layer) and using edit/stroke outline to draw the lines. You then duplicate that layer and using the move tool, move the box over another set of pics and adjust to fit, then do the same for the third set. Good luck.
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Post by frizzylee on May 26, 2020 20:16:20 GMT
OK, I will address Sepiana's method first here since that is the one I just tried (and failed, apparently). Below are two screenshots showing what I did. It did not work. The marching ants are still around the outside of the page no matter what I do. In the first screenshot I created the three groups. I know this is where I must have gone wrong. But when creating three separate groups (as three separate psd files, I thought I had to put the photos for each group somewhere so I used the cream colored background. I later trimmed each one down so it would fit onto the final image.) I then put each group onto the big background, the one that says VENEZUELA at the top. I then tried to follow steps 2 through 5 for the individual files (not yet merged with the background file). That last part does not make sense to me as I had to merge them, but kept it as psd. I can see that it is all but impossible to read the layers information on the right side. I will send it enlarged if needed.
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Post by HappyScot on May 26, 2020 20:20:27 GMT
In your 3 screen shots above, for each of them use the rectangular marquee tool to draw a box of marching ants round your grouped images. Then do the stroke outline etc. Then you can amalgamate your 3 sets of boxed images onto your big sheet.
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frizzylee
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Post by frizzylee on May 26, 2020 22:14:57 GMT
Hello HappyScot
So far your explanation is getting me closest to what I want except when I do the stroke outline I am getting a sort of shadowy-looking blur that follows my selected border perfectly. In other words, it's not a solid black line. I looked around for adjustments but the things I tried did not work.
Would you be kind enough to point me in the direction of settings that will make adjustments to the stroke.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
Pat
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Post by Tpgettys on May 26, 2020 22:39:08 GMT
FWIW, it sure looks like the method suggested by fotofrank is by far the easiest and quickest way to accomplish your goal.
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Post by Sepiana on May 26, 2020 22:39:28 GMT
OK, I will address Sepiana's method first here since that is the one I just tried (and failed, apparently). Below are two screenshots showing what I did. It did not work. The marching ants are still around the outside of the page no matter what I do. I then put each group onto the big background, the one that says VENEZUELA at the top. Pat, first of all, my sincere apologies! I misunderstood what you wanted. I thought you wanted . . . - The stroke around the edges of the cream-colored background. - The group placed on the photo book page (which would have a different background color). If that had been your intention, either fotofrank 's suggestion (using the Rectangular Marquee tool) or my suggestion (Select>All) would have worked just fine. Someone else may have a better idea about applying the stroke just around the group of photos. The only thing I can think of is . . . - Merge the photo layers. - Ctrl-/Cmmd-click on the merged photo layer thumbnail, not on the layer name. This will load it as a selection. You will see marching ants around it. - Now Elements knows exactly what to do. It will apply the stroke around the photo group edges and ignore the cream-colored background. NOTE:
If you want the stroke applied individually to each photo within the group, . . . - Keep the photo layers intact; don't merge them. - Do Ctrl-/Cmmd-click as described above. - Do it for each photo in the group.
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Post by frizzylee on May 26, 2020 23:21:16 GMT
To Tpgettys. Hi Tom, You are absolutely right that fotofrank has the quickest and probably easiest method. I saw that immediately when it popped up. However, (and I make no excuse, it's just the way I am) I want what I want when it comes to media, meaning video and photobooks. I make no claim for excellence but when something isn't what I envision I can't quit until it is. It's hard and there have been some miserable times, but if I stick to it long enough and don't give up, I am always, always glad I did. When I made one of my last videos, there was a little blue train on a birth announcement. A friend said, "You ought to make it so the little blue train comes off the announcement and leads into the next segment." Well, it nearly killed me but by gosh that little blue train did just what she suggested. And I have never ever been sorry.
Forgive my rattling on, but I am taking a breather here. What I want is for my groups of photos to be grouped together in a rounded off rectangle pretty much like Sepiana's are when she quotes from what someone wrote. Rounded off rectangles, that's what I want. Further, I plan to use it now and then in a photo book so I want those pages to reflect one another style-wise. The squared off approach accomplishes the same thing, but it isn't the same.
I will keep at it, but right now I have yet to get it done.
Thank you for your observation. You are not wrong.
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Post by frizzylee on May 27, 2020 0:31:15 GMT
Hello, Sepiana
My apologies. I should have told you that I want a bounding box or border or frame, or whatever anyone wants to call it, just like you have around your posts when you are quoting someone. That's exactly what I want around my group of photos. Picture a group of photos inside one of those boxes instead of words. The black line can be a little wider, but what you have is about what I am trying to do. That's it.
Goodness. I wish I had thought to say that at the beginning. I need more sleep.
Pat
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Post by Sepiana on May 27, 2020 1:00:14 GMT
Hello, Sepiana My apologies. I should have told you that I want a bounding box or border or frame, or whatever anyone wants to call it, just like you have around your posts when you are quoting someone. That's exactly what I want around my group of photos. Pat Pat, no need to apologize! This is quite an interesting project! Is this the effect you have in mind? Then, you may want to check the Rounded Rectangle Tool (U). You can adjust the Radius slider to make the corners less or more rounded; you can also add a stroke. In addition, you can create variations of this effect such as re-arranging the photos, leaving some space in between them, with a solid color background showing through. Making rounded corners in Photoshop and Photoshop Elements
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