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Post by fotofrank on Nov 1, 2020 4:39:02 GMT
Charles try these settings on the crop tool.  |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Nov 1, 2020 4:40:58 GMT
Charles try these settings on the crop tool. Thank you Frank! That is exactly what I did use! <smyle> |
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Post by fotofrank on Nov 1, 2020 4:41:28 GMT
Charles if you do Image>Resize>Image Resize - what is the resolution of your image?
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Post by Inspeqtor on Nov 1, 2020 4:55:32 GMT
Charles if you do Image>Resize>Image Resize - what is the resolution of your image? 6960 X 4640 |
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Post by fotofrank on Nov 1, 2020 5:08:21 GMT
At what resolution not size?  |
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 1, 2020 5:09:32 GMT
With the Crop tool active, select 8x8, define your crop; then, before clicking the green check-mark and executing the crop, change 8x8 to "No Restriction", then execute the crop. I tried your trick, I did make the outline of my crop, and before I clicked on the green check mark as soon as I clicked on "No resolution" it canceled my crop completely which took away my cropped lines. Is this because I am using a newer version than you using version 7? I typed the words "No Resolution" but I meant to type "No Restriction" cuz that is what I did do. I just did the actions again...same results. Charles, as far as I know, the Crop tool behaves the same way across different Elements versions. In a nutshell, . . . - The Crop tool starts off set to No Restriction. This means you can drag freely. - If you want to crop using dimensions of your choice, just enter them in the W and H boxes. Ex. W: 8 in H: 8 in - The moment you start entering your dimensions, No Restriction will automatically change to Custom. - Drag your crop. - Click on the green Commit button (or press the Return key). Resolution- The Crop tool starts off with an empty Resolution box. - If you enter a number that is different from the current resolution of your image, the Crop tool will resample your image to match the new resolution. - Resampling is not always a good thing. - If you don't want resampling to occur, enter the current resolution of your image. Ex.: 72 Pixels/Inch, 300 Pixels/Inch, etc. |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Nov 1, 2020 7:08:44 GMT
At what resolution not size? Frank, I was very surprised here when I checked the resolution within the Image Size. I had never paid any attention to the resolution within this window before. It turns out it is 72 resolution. Do you know why Canon did this? Does this hurt the photo when printed at all? When changing it to 300 within Elements does that cause a problem?  |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Nov 1, 2020 7:14:00 GMT
Charles, as far as I know, the Crop tool behaves the same way across different Elements versions. In a nutshell, . . . - The Crop tool starts off set to No Restriction. This means you can drag freely. - If you want to crop using dimensions of your choice, just enter them in the W and H boxes. Ex. W: 8 in H: 8 in - The moment you start entering your dimensions, No Restriction will automatically change to Custom. - Drag your crop. - Click on the green Commit button (or press the Return key). Resolution- The Crop tool starts off with an empty Resolution box. - If you enter a number that is different from the current resolution of your image, the Crop tool will resample your image to match the new resolution. - Resampling is not always a good thing. - If you don't want resampling to occur, enter the current resolution of your image. Ex.: 72 Pixels/Inch, 300 Pixels/Inch, etc. Sepiana, Resampling is something I do not know what that is..... Can you please explain that in simple terms? With the Canon apparently at 72, should I always use 72 when setting the crop tool to a different size rather than use 300?? Thank you! |
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Post by BuckSkin on Nov 1, 2020 7:24:49 GMT
I was very surprised here when I checked the resolution within the Image Size. I had never paid any attention to the resolution within this window before. It turns out it is 72 resolution. Do you know why Canon did this? Does this hurt the photo when printed at all? When changing it to 300 within Elements does that cause a problem? So long as you do not allow resampling, when you change that 72ppi to 300ppi, then the displayed physical measurement (inches) is the maximum size the image will print at 300ppi, which is the accepted standard for most prints. I have read that you can safely get away with 240ppi with good results ( I read one article that went as far as to say 180ppi); 240ppi will yield a larger print than 300ppi. So long as you do not resample the image, it matters not whether Elements says it is 72ppi, 96ppi, 300ppi, or whatever; the displayed dimensions (inches) will change reflecting the displayed ppi, the smaller the ppi number, the larger the displayed dimension in inches. This is all rather misleading until you get a grasp on the concept. Changing the displayed ppi will not in any way affect the image UNLESS you resample it. |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Nov 1, 2020 7:32:29 GMT
I was very surprised here when I checked the resolution within the Image Size. I had never paid any attention to the resolution within this window before. It turns out it is 72 resolution. Do you know why Canon did this? Does this hurt the photo when printed at all? When changing it to 300 within Elements does that cause a problem? So long as you do not allow resampling, when you change that 72ppi to 300ppi, then the displayed physical measurement (inches) is the maximum size the image will print at 300ppi, which is the accepted standard for most prints. I have read that you can safely get away with 240ppi with good results ( I read one article that went as far as to say 180ppi); 240ppi will yield a larger print than 300ppi. So long as you do not resample the image, it matters not whether Elements says it is 72ppi, 96ppi, 300ppi, or whatever; the displayed dimensions (inches) will change reflecting the displayed ppi, the smaller the ppi number, the larger the displayed dimension in inches. This is all rather misleading until you get a grasp on the concept. Changing the displayed ppi will not in any way affect the image UNLESS you resample it. As I said to Sepiana, I do not know what resampling really is. It sounds like when using the crop tool for example if changing the size is resampling? |
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Post by BuckSkin on Nov 1, 2020 7:38:30 GMT
should I always use 72 when setting the crop tool to a different size rather than use 300?? Thank you! Unless you are cropping to a specific print size, you should not enter anything in the ppi boxes; when you enter a number in the ppi box, the image will be resampled to that ppi resolution when the crop is executed. Resampling changes the density of the pixel ratio of the image. Upsampling adds pixels that were not already there, thus making the overall image denser/more pixels. There is a cost, however; even adding a single pixel lessens the quality/integrity of the image. Downsampling makes the image pixel ratio less dense. While not as damaging to the integrity of the image, downsampling forever removes pixel information that is not later retrievable. An example of when one would want to downsample an image is lets say we have a very large, very dense, image with a high pixel count and we crop the image to say 8x10 without designating a ppi; once we execute the crop, the image at 8x10 might then end up with 640ppi; to print at 8x10 300ppi, we would need to downsample the image to 300ppi. |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Nov 1, 2020 9:23:33 GMT
Thank you Buckskin....
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Post by Inspeqtor on Nov 1, 2020 10:04:43 GMT
Back to my original question, when my original image is 6960 X 4640 which equals 96.667 X 64.444 and I want to crop it to 8 X 8 or 4 X 6 or whatever number when I then do crop it to 8 X 8 and my pixel quality goes to 744 X 744 what should I do to keep my image quality better??
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Post by Inspeqtor on Nov 1, 2020 10:17:33 GMT
12 minutes later I came up with my own answer.... 50 X 50 that gives me a pixel size of 3734 X 3734!!
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Post by BuckSkin on Nov 1, 2020 12:18:38 GMT
For that matter, you could go 64.444 x 64.444 and get 4640 x 4640; however....., with any specified pixel dimensions, once you start cropping in tighter/closer and the actual pixel dimensions of the target start becoming less than the specified pixel dimensions, to achieve that crop at the specified pixel dimensions, the target is going to have to be upsampled.
Am I making sense ?
On thing you could do to get a rough estimate as to what pixel dimensions your target crop can withstand without needing to be upsampled = on a copy of the image, with the Crop tool activated and No Restrictions option, draw a relatively square crop box that yields the look you want; this crop box need not be perfectly square, so long as it looks to be square; execute the crop and then go to Image > Size > Image Resize and see what the pixel dimensions are; change the ppi to 300ppi and that will show you the dimension in inches a non-resampled 300ppi print of that crop will be.
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