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Post by gfmucci on Dec 15, 2020 21:08:47 GMT
Some folks say that they have "simplified" their creation of smaller file sizes by creating a screen shot. I'm guessing what they mean by "screen shot" is going outside the Elements Program and using Windows Snipping Tool to get a "screen shot." Using a Windows screen shot seems to be the long way around if you want to save a smaller sized image file with your original Version Set. That would be my objective, anyway.
Steps for reducing file size via "Screen Shot" method:
Display image you want a screen shot of within Elements - Go to Windows and open Snipping Tool (soon to be renamed Snip and Sketch)
- Snip your image
- Save your snipped image to a place you can find it
- Open saved snipped image in Elements
- Name it/Save it somewhere in Elements (probably not with the parent image - is that even possible?)
Versus Elements resizing option:
- Display image you want to resize
- Resize:Image
- Save As maintaining original (rename to indicate smaller size) - it
remains in with your parent image in your Version Set for easy future finding and access.
What am I missing about folks saying they prefer the "screen shot" method?
I would like to be able to create and save smaller file sizes along with/in the same Version Set for later use in websites or emails. |
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 15, 2020 22:08:31 GMT
I believe you are on Windows. You can use the Snipping Tool to capture a screenshot. -- Open Snipping Tool and take a screenshotThen, open Elements (Editor). Go to File > New > Image from Clipboard. Your screenshot will be displayed in the workspace. You can edit your screenshot. Ex.: crop, resize, save it. |
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Post by gfmucci on Dec 15, 2020 22:22:24 GMT
I believe you are on Windows. You can use the Snipping Tool to capture a screenshot. -- Open Snipping Tool and take a screenshotThen, open Elements (Editor). Go to File > New > Image from Clipboard. Your screenshot will be displayed in the workspace. You can edit your screenshot. Ex.: crop, resize, save it. Thanks for clarifying where "screen shot" takes place. I was looking all over the place within Elements. I've used it before in a non-Elements context, but forgot about it.
I've rewritten my OP to incorporate what I learned and to rephrase my initial question about why the "screen shot" method is thought by some to be simpler than resizing the image within Elements.
If my objective is to simply reduce the file size of an image and save it with that image, the "screen shot" route seems to be the longer way around; more steps than resizing the image and saving with the parent Version Set.
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Post by michelb on Dec 15, 2020 22:47:35 GMT
I believe you are on Windows. You can use the Snipping Tool to capture a screenshot. -- Open Snipping Tool and take a screenshotThen, open Elements (Editor). Go to File > New > Image from Clipboard. Your screenshot will be displayed in the workspace. You can edit your screenshot. Ex.: crop, resize, save it. If my objective is to simply reduce the file size of an image and save it with that image, that the "screen shot" route seems to be the longer way around; more steps than resizing the image and saving to the parent stack. Or maybe it just seems like more steps because I haven't done it. Since you are using the organizer, do a search in the online help files to see the difference between 'stacks' and 'version sets'. What you need is to create a copy of reduced size and to create a link between the child file and its original parent. When you 'save as' any edited version (reduced size or any other edit), you simply have to tick the checkmark to 'save in a version set'. By default, a '_edited_1' suffix is added to the original file name for the child file. The edited file is shown as the top of version set. Contrary to a stack, a version set keeps the relation from child to parent. Stacks are only 'groups' of files without that relationship. Albums (formerly called collections) are stacks in which the components have an order number.
For your purpose, is it necessary to keep and save those reduced size version sets? The best use of the organizer is to keep the originals and to 'export as new files' a whole batch of files with the same reduction factor. Most of the time for you purpose you export the reduced files only temporarily and delete them once they have been sent to their destination. You can always recreate the export if needed. No need either to create individual stacks or version sets to keep the parent/child relationship. Alternatively, instead of using the organizer, you can use the editor with the option to 'process multiple files'.
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Post by gfmucci on Dec 15, 2020 23:07:09 GMT
I believe you are on Windows. You can use the Snipping Tool to capture a screenshot. -- Open Snipping Tool and take a screenshotThen, open Elements (Editor). Go to File > New > Image from Clipboard. Your screenshot will be displayed in the workspace. You can edit your screenshot. Ex.: crop, resize, save it. If my objective is to simply reduce the file size of an image and save it with that image, that the "screen shot" route seems to be the longer way around; more steps than resizing the image and saving to the parent stack. Or maybe it just seems like more steps because I haven't done it. Snipping Tool is soon to be called "Snip and Sketch" in Windows. |
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Post by gfmucci on Dec 15, 2020 23:34:49 GMT
If my objective is to simply reduce the file size of an image and save it with that image, that the "screen shot" route seems to be the longer way around; more steps than resizing the image and saving to the parent stack. Or maybe it just seems like more steps because I haven't done it. Since you are using the organizer, do a search in the online help files to see the difference between 'stacks' and 'version sets'. What you need is to create a copy of reduced size and to create a link between the child file and its original parent. When you 'save as' any edited version (reduced size or any other edit), you simply have to tick the checkmark to 'save in a version set'. By default, a '_edited_1' suffix is added to the original file name for the child file. The edited file is shown as the top of version set. Contrary to a stack, a version set keeps the relation from child to parent. Stacks are only 'groups' of files without that relationship. Albums (formerly called collections) are stacks in which the components have an order number.
For your purpose, is it necessary to keep and save those reduced size version sets? The best use of the organizer is to keep the originals and to 'export as new files' a whole batch of files with the same reduction factor. Most of the time for you purpose you export the reduced files only temporarily and delete them once they have been sent to their destination. You can always recreate the export if needed. No need either to create individual stacks or version sets to keep the parent/child relationship. Alternatively, instead of using the organizer, you can use the editor with the option to 'process multiple files'.
For my purposes I'd find it easier and better organized to keep the newly created small file size "child" with the "parent" in the "Version Set."
Thanks for the clarification of the distinction between Stacks and Version Sets. Learning two or three new things every day.
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Post by BuckSkin on Dec 16, 2020 0:04:36 GMT
Instead of the Windows screenshot tool, I find many advantages to using the screenshot tool found within the FREE program FastStone. Among it's many advantages is that, before I take the screenshot, I can navigate FastStone to whatever folder I want the screenshot to land in, execute the screenshot from there, and then save it. If I so desire, before saving the screenshot, I can use the "ABC" tool in FastStone to perform a multitude of handy edits to the screenshot, including drawing arrows, adding text, etc. www.faststone.org/ |
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Post by cats4jan on Dec 16, 2020 0:05:12 GMT
I use screenshot all the time now. I use it primarily to get a copy of something to send via email or when I'm going to post on a forum. Of course, I use it in instances were clarity isn't the number one criteria - although I have to say - most times I get pretty decent quality. With my mac, I hold down shift/command/4 to select a certain portion of the screen. The screenshot is set up to go directly to the desktop. One step. I have no use for a screenshot of the entire screen (which is a different keystroke command) so I'm always doing selections of what's on the screen. Of course, I am constricted by the size of the item on my monitor. The size of my screenshot depends on the size of the item on the screen before I do the screenshot. I have been able to get up to 2300x2300 pixels when I do a screenshot of a layout (digital scrapbooking project) that I have used as my desktop photo. A couple of other sizes of the same item that I got off the editing area of PSE were 1794x1794 pixels and 1204x1204 pixels. In all instances, the quality was decent enough to use on a scrapbook layout of 3600x3600 pixels (layouts are usually created for a 12 inch by 12 inch print at 300 resolution.) When I used to use the Snipping Tool in Windows, I found it cumbersome. I had to first open the tool, then snip, then tell it where to go. I think I now use screenshots so often because with a Mac it's only one simple keystroke combo. I'm guessing they have improved the snipping tool in Windows since I last used it, though. BTW - with the latest version of the Catalina OS, I can do some minor editing to the screenshot. I don't use this function since I always have PSE open and I no longer am happy with being constricted by 'simple' functions like that, but it is a nice feature of the screenshot function, none-the-less. Screenshot taken off editing area in PSE Click on it to go to imgbb to see original  |
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 16, 2020 0:12:19 GMT
Steps for reducing file size via "Screen Shot" method: Display image you want a screen shot of within Elements - Go to Windows and open Snipping Tool (soon to be renamed Snip and Sketch)
- Snip your image
- Save your snipped image to a place you can find it
- Open saved snipped image in Elements
- Name it/Save it somewhere in Elements (probably not with the parent image - is that even possible?
You don't need Steps 4 and 5. After you capture the screen shot, go to File>New>Image from Clipboard. This will display the screenshot in the workspace. Then, you can edit it if needed (resize, crop, etc.), and save it in the file format of your choice (JPEG, PSD, TIFF, etc.). Also, you can take a screenshot of an image outside Elements. |
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Post by gfmucci on Dec 16, 2020 0:22:24 GMT
Steps for reducing file size via "Screen Shot" method: Display image you want a screen shot of within Elements - Go to Windows and open Snipping Tool (soon to be renamed Snip and Sketch)
- Snip your image
- Save your snipped image to a place you can find it
- Open saved snipped image in Elements
- Name it/Save it somewhere in Elements (probably not with the parent image - is that even possible?
You don't need Steps 4 and 5. After you capture the screen shot, go to File>New>Image from Clipboard. This will display the screenshot in the workspace. Then, you can edit it if needed (resize, crop, etc.), and save it in the file format of your choice (JPEG, PSD, TIFF, etc.). Also, you can take a screenshot of an image outside Elements. Thanks for clarification. So the "snip" goes directly to the Clipboard and clipboard is automatically displayed in the Workspace. What happened to the original in the workspace that I took the clip from? Was that automatically replaced by the snipped item that the Clipboard put there?
Still, for my purposes, that seems to be a couple more steps and doesn't get the image in with the Version Set.
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 16, 2020 0:32:28 GMT
When I used to use the Snipping Tool in Windows, I found it cumbersome. I had to first open the tool, then snip, then tell it where to go. Maybe that's how it was done before. Now, once you snip a screenshot, you don't have to tell it where to go. The screenshot will automatically be waiting for you in Elements (File>New>Image from Clipboard).  |
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 16, 2020 2:12:17 GMT
Thanks for clarification. So the "snip" goes directly to the Clipboard and clipboard is automatically displayed in the Workspace. What happened to the original in the workspace that I took the clip from? Was that automatically replaced by the snipped item that the Clipboard put there? Yes. All you have to do is File>New>Image from Clipboard.No. Nothing happens to the original image; it's still there. You will see two thumbnails in the Photo Bin -- one for the original image and one for the screenshot. The latter will be named "Untitled-1". Some folks say that they have "simplified" their creation of smaller file sizes by creating a screen shot. I'm guessing what they mean by "screen shot" is going outside the Elements Program and using Windows Snipping Tool to get a "screen shot." Using a Windows screen shot seems to be the long way around if you want to save a smaller sized image file with your original Version Set. That would be my objective, anyway. IMHO, unnecessary and not the most effective way to resize an image. Personally, I would not recommend this approach. On the other hand, I would strongly recommend you use Image>Resize>Image Size in Elements. The Adobe Design Team spent a lot of time and effort on this feature. Give it a chance! Resize images in Adobe Photoshop Elements (Help) |
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Post by michelb on Dec 16, 2020 9:40:12 GMT
IMHO, unnecessary and not the most effective way to resize an image. Personally, I would not recommend this approach. On the other hand, I would strongly recommend you use Image>Resize>Image Size in Elements. The Adobe Design Team spent a lot of time and effort on this feature. Give it a chance! Resize images in Adobe Photoshop Elements (Help) Sepiana is very diplomatic here, it's much more than unnecessary, it's the worst solution you can imagine. You don't control anything in the size, you can't batch process anything and you have the most cumbersome process. We all have two kinds of resizing needs. The first one is to optimize the size depending on the output of a single image. The second one (very frequent) is to batch resize a set of files for a given purposes. Our personal proportion of single vs batch will vary, but the first and critical question to start with is "is it necessary to keep the resized version in my computer" while organizing the new files via catalogs or folders?
For individual pictures, it's not a big problem and simply using the resizing options of PSE gives you full control and you save in a version set. Note that Elements allows storing the version on another folder if you want, which I am not sure Lightroom can do. For batch pictures, you have the choice to use the organizer or the editor. The resizing options (resampling or compression) are adequate and clear. The resizing applies in the same way for your selected batch (generally an album) for a given output purpose. You know that to post on the web, on a mail or for prints you have to use given settings. So, you only need to select your album and apply the usual settings for a given purpose. No need to keep the 'temporary' exported or batch processed files. No need to waste disk space, to make your catalog database much more complicated and heavy, to make backups slower, to create useless duplicates. Edit: If you need to keep the result of a batch resizing via export or process multiple files, either organize in folders and subfolders or create distinct albums for originals and resized copies.
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Post by gfmucci on Dec 16, 2020 11:55:05 GMT
Thanks for clarification. So the "snip" goes directly to the Clipboard and clipboard is automatically displayed in the Workspace. What happened to the original in the workspace that I took the clip from? Was that automatically replaced by the snipped item that the Clipboard put there? Yes. All you have to do is File>New>Image from Clipboard.No. Nothing happens to the original image; it's still there. You will see two thumbnails in the Photo Bin -- one for the original image and one for the screenshot. The latter will be named "Untitled-1". Some folks say that they have "simplified" their creation of smaller file sizes by creating a screen shot. I'm guessing what they mean by "screen shot" is going outside the Elements Program and using Windows Snipping Tool to get a "screen shot." Using a Windows screen shot seems to be the long way around if you want to save a smaller sized image file with your original Version Set. That would be my objective, anyway. IMHO, unnecessary and not the most effective way to resize an image. Personally, I would not recommend this approach. On the other hand, I would strongly recommend you use Image>Resize>Image Size in Elements. The Adobe Design Team spent a lot of time and effort on this feature. Give it a chance! Resize images in Adobe Photoshop Elements (Help) I agree with you and michelb. Going the Windows "snipping" route is a hack job. It is cleaner and more controllable staying within the Elements resizing domain. My only remaining question regarding the Resizing function is (since I'm used to the brainless minimalist resizing settings in simpler photo applications)...
What are the optimal "image size" specifications in pixel dimensions for different reduced size applications, such as: Email Emojies Blog sites (e.g. Blogger)
Forums (e.g. this or DPReview - I understand some take full sized images) Youtube/Facebook
In addition to the "Resize" under the "Image" pull down, I notice there is a "Save for Web" under "File" that gives sizing options. There is also a Guide to "Resize your photo". Those options are what I was looking for. I just need to spend some time seeing what they offer and to what extent they simplify the choices for specific purposes.
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Post by cats4jan on Dec 16, 2020 15:08:44 GMT
Did a trial run with Yahoo and AOL emails
I inserted a 3600x3600 high quality jpg into an email going from AOL to Yahoo and one going from Yahoo to AOL
Both reduced the size at delivery to 1080x1080
The upload and send was longer using AOL email than Yahoo, but I'm guessing that's because AOL isn't as good a program as Yahoo.
It surprised me that neither balked much at all in letting me send such a large jpg.
I have been sending screenshots because I figured it would be easier on the delivery system, but really - it didn't make much difference at all.
The two forums I use - this one and Just Art easily uploads the 3600x3600
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