ChrisAnn
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Post by ChrisAnn on Jan 1, 2022 15:45:23 GMT
I've done this many times before but now that I am attempting to move the photos I took in 2020 to a removable drive I keep getting an error message and the Organizer closes down.
I open the 'My Folders' Panel on the left-hand side of the Organizer and click on the photos on my C drive in the Dec 2020 folder;
go to File and click 'Copy/Move to removable Drive';
Click 'yes' when it asks if I'm sure;
then I get 'Elements Organizer has encountered a problem and needs to close' and it does just that.
I am currently trying to move 113 photos off my C: to an external drive (there are move but currently in different monthly folders). I have 1 TB of space on the destination I: Drive so I don't think the external drive is too full although, when the Organizer closes down, I haven't even told it where to move the file to.
Have I missed a stage? I have already made a folder on the I: Drive called 2020 into which I want to insert the files.
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Post by BuckSkin on Jan 1, 2022 16:54:03 GMT
Sorry, I cannot help you with the Organizer; however, I recommend free Synchredible to copy the files to the other drive. You tell Synchredible exactly what you wish to be duplicated/copied/mirrored/synchronized and it will do exactly that. www.ascompsoftware.com/en/products/show/product/synchredible/tab/descriptionI have found Synchredible to be very versatile, flexible, and adaptable in file backup. Although Synchredible will do the work in the background while you do other things, another very simple option is to simply drag/drop and walk away until it is done. |
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 1, 2022 16:58:36 GMT
I've done this many times before but now that I am attempting to move the photos I took in 2020 to a removable drive I keep getting an error message and the Organizer closes down. I open the 'My Folders' Panel on the left-hand side of the Organizer and click on the photos on my C drive in the Dec 2020 folder;
go to File and click 'Copy/Move to removable Drive';
Click 'yes' when it asks if I'm sure;
then I get 'Elements Organizer has encountered a problem and needs to close' and it does just that. Hi ChrisAnn, Happy New Year! I haven't encountered this problem. However, I don't have such a large catalog as you do. I have to admit that I have no idea why the Elements Organizer is crashing when you do this move. I'm sending a PM to michelb, our in-house Organizer guru, bringing your inquiry to his attention. Hang in there! |
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ChrisAnn
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Post by ChrisAnn on Jan 1, 2022 17:00:02 GMT
Thank you for your recommendation but I need to do it in Organizer so that Organizer can keep tabs on where my photos are stored. I have over 45,000 photos all kept trace of via the Organizer and I can find any one of them within a few seconds. I started using the Organizer in 2004 and have found it invaluable. I've just tried again and managed to move the 113 files in December; I went to move the 50 in November and got the error message again. I'm now off to see whether closing and opening the Organizer between moves resolves my problem.
Edit to say that you sneaked in when I wasn't looking Sepiana. Happy New Year to you too and thank you for passing my problem on.
When I went back to try again to move the November pix - up popped the error message.
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Post by michelb on Jan 1, 2022 17:40:44 GMT
I have no idea of the reason of the error message. The simpler tool to move selectd files elsewhere in an existing or to be created folder is not the move to removable drive, it's the simple File > move (shortcut Ctrl Shift V). The destination can be a folder on any drive, internal or external. By the way, the command 'move to removable drive' works the same with internal drives; it's a legacy feature. When you want to move a whole subfolder elsewhere, on any kind of drive, just use drag and drop within the left folders panel in tree mode.
If you have not already created or chosen a destination folder on the external drive, first test to put a dummy photo file in the destination folder from the explorer. Try importing it as a test of the removable drive. Then you'll be able to see the destination folder in the left folders panel and to drag subfolders to new destinations within the panel. If you don't see the external drive, go to the top of the tree, right click and you get the option to show all folders (and drives).
For moving a big photo library to a new drive or computer, I would rather use the backup and restore process. I am assuming you are on Windows?
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ChrisAnn
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Post by ChrisAnn on Jan 1, 2022 17:52:42 GMT
Thank you Michel, Yes I'm on Windows 10 and will certainly have a go at your recommendation. I'd assumed that the 'move to removable drive' was the 'best' method. But yours sounds more straight-forward. I'll have a go (after tea) and report back.
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ChrisAnn
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Post by ChrisAnn on Jan 1, 2022 18:15:45 GMT
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've moved all my 2020 photos onto the external drive in between cooking tea - it's so quick compared with the method I've been using for forever.  Now all I need to do is remember for next year.  |
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Post by BuckSkin on Jan 1, 2022 19:10:12 GMT
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've moved all my 2020 photos onto the external drive in between cooking tea - it's so quick compared with the method I've been using for forever. Now all I need to do is remember for next year. Glad to hear you got it sorted. Curious, do you only back up once every year; or, is this a migration thing ? I know what you mean about remembering how you accomplished something; many times, I know that I did something very handy and useful; and, I can't for the life of me remember just how I went about it. |
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 1, 2022 19:24:49 GMT
Hi ChrisAnn, Happy New Year! I haven't encountered this problem. However, I don't have such a large catalog as you do. I have to admit that I have no idea why the Elements Organizer is crashing when you do this move. I'm sending a PM to michelb, our in-house Organizer guru, bringing your inquiry to his attention. Hang in there! Edit to say that you sneaked in when I wasn't looking Sepiana. Happy New Year to you too and thank you for passing my problem on. ChrisAnn, you are most welcome! Glad to see michelb came to the rescue. Kudos to him! |
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Post by michelb on Jan 1, 2022 20:32:33 GMT
Sorry, I cannot help you with the Organizer; however, I recommend free Synchredible to copy the files to the other drive. You tell Synchredible exactly what you wish to be duplicated/copied/mirrored/synchronized and it will do exactly that. www.ascompsoftware.com/en/products/show/product/synchredible/tab/descriptionI have found Synchredible to be very versatile, flexible, and adaptable in file backup. Although Synchredible will do the work in the background while you do other things, another very simple option is to simply drag/drop and walk away until it is done. Hi Buckskin and I wish you a happy new year! Since you mention Synchredible, I remembered your advice last year when I had to install my usual Synctoy and the installation failed for lack of support from Microsoft. I tried Synchredible, but found it more complicated and slower than my 2.1 Synctoy version. Microsoft seems to push to its SyncFolders alternative. I finally found which net.framework component to install and managed to install Synctoy. As I use the organizer intensively, I would not like nor trust a background backup solution. Synctoy is used after nearly all editing sessions to sync two external drives in a few minutes. Those drives allow me to sync to my other desktop 200 miles away... I also copy the catalog folder after the synching. The main external drive is operational as soon as I plug it to the other desktop. In case of need, it takes me two minutes to edit the catalog database of the second external drive to reflect the new computer/drive identification: I must use an sqlite database manager for that update which is not possible with the organizer directly. All organizer users must use the integrated backup solution, which solves the problem of migration of catalog together with library, but requires hours for a big library. The last two versions of the organizer offer a very fast backup of the catalog folder only; I choose to run it or not at the end of each editing session. For intensive users of the organizer, I would recommend to associate this feature with a syncing solution like Synctoy or Synchredible for regular backups; that does not protect absolutely if you can't restore on the original drive due to limitations in the 'reconnecting' feature of the organizer; so periodical full backups of the organizer must be made for more safety.
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Post by BuckSkin on Jan 2, 2022 1:33:38 GMT
Hi Buckskin and I wish you a happy new year! Thanks and Happy New Year to you as well ! Although I often use Synchredible to duplicate maybe a single folder or group of folders, we have several 2TB 3.5" HDD, both internal and external; for every 2TB internal drive, we have at least one external 2TB drive that is an exact copy, refreshed and synchronized regularly via Synchredible. Other than the drive letter, each pair of HDD are exact duplicates in every way, including all attributes. Should an internal drive fail; I have two quick and easy options; I can replace the internal with it's duplicate and change the drive letter to match; or, I can install another internal and use Synchredible to make it a duplicate of the backup HDD. |
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Post by BuckSkin on Jan 2, 2022 1:36:32 GMT
Actually, when I think about this, one could use Synchredible to make a duplicate of their Organizer Catalog(s) Drive(s); and, should something go haywire, simply change the drive letter of the backup and the Organizer never know the difference, right ?
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ChrisAnn
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Post by ChrisAnn on Jan 2, 2022 8:15:37 GMT
Curious, do you only back up once every year; or, is this a migration thing ? I know what you mean about remembering how you accomplished something; many times, I know that I did something very handy and useful; and, I can't for the life of me remember just how I went about it. The moving process is an annual event, meaning that I only keep last year and this year's photos on my C: drive, everything else is moved on to an external drive. (Not that I've taken as many photos during the last two years due to Covid travel restrictions in the UK.
My back up process is completely separate with a complete back-up annually (it takes hours, usually overnight unless the computer 'goes to sleep') follow by incremental backups - all through Organizer. We also have a daily backup of everything on the computer on to a different external drive.
Annually I go through my photos trying to purge duplicates or similar pictures - but that isn't very successful as I can always come up with a reason not to delete a picture. 
The rest of your conversation, BuckSkin with MichelB has gone completely over my head.  |
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Post by cats4jan on Jan 2, 2022 12:31:29 GMT
“Annually I go through my photos trying to purge duplicates or similar pictures - but that isn't very successful as I can always come up with a reason not to delete a picture”
Yep, that’s me, too. Deleting is so permanent and I have the hard drive space…
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 2, 2022 14:42:38 GMT
All organizer users must use the integrated backup solution, which solves the problem of migration of catalog together with library, but requires hours for a big library. The last two versions of the organizer offer a very fast backup of the catalog folder only; I choose to run it or not at the end of each editing session. My back up process is completely separate with a complete back-up annually (it takes hours, usually overnight unless the computer 'goes to sleep') follow by incremental backups - all through Organizer. As both of you seem to prefer using the Organizer’s backup/restore integrated solutions (as so many Organizer users do), I have a question. I believe your answers will benefit Organizer users. As you know, I have a small catalog. I mostly use the Organizer for "things" related to this forum. For my personal use, I depend on Lightroom. Since Adobe introduced automatic back-up/restore catalog structure in PSE 2021, I have played around with different frequency settings. However, I’m still not sure which one to use. Based on your experience, which variables should be taken into consideration when choosing a frequency setting? |
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Now all I need to do is remember for next year. 
