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Post by cjt on Jan 26, 2022 20:25:54 GMT
Have returned and wonder what could be better about this composite. (I like to do them, and they are kinda like scrapbooking?) Comments appreciated. There are supposed to be somewhere around 6-7000 succulents and cactus varieties in this collection! Enjoy! cjt
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Post by hmca on Jan 26, 2022 22:05:31 GMT
A nice variety of flowers, cjt. You posted on the perfect board. cats4jan and Lillias can gently and gradually lead you to steps that you might take to improve your presentation. I have learned, and continue to learn, so much with their expert and gentle guidance.
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Post by Lillias on Jan 26, 2022 23:14:21 GMT
Hello cjt and welcome to the digital scrapbooking/digital art board. Firstly can I say there is no right or wrong way of doing something like this. So anything I say here reflects the way I would approach such a composition and I’m not infallible so take what you like from what I say and feel free to discard the rest. At the end of the day it’s what you like that is the only thing that counts. OK that being said...I would not break up my text in the way you have as I found myself having to roam around your page to put it all together in my head so that I could understand the information you were trying to put across. The flowers are lovely but as presented they look flat on the page. If you were to apply a soft drop shadow to each flower it would bring them more to life. Personally I would also have included at least part of the body of the plant with the flower blooming on it. I think that would give a better representation of each plant. If you wished, and if you know them, you could also include the names of the plants in small text at the side of each plant which would add to the information about them. These are just a few things I can think of and Janice may come along with other ideas from mine. As I said at the beginning it’s what you like that counts and I hope I haven’t horrified you with my suggestions.
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Post by cats4jan on Jan 27, 2022 0:31:00 GMT
First off - I want to second what Lillias said - when creating a digital scrapbook page - it is a form of art. Art is in the eye of the beholder - so, as long as you love it - that's all that matters. That being said, because you've asked, I'll jump in... Again - I agree with Lillias - about the text - I would like to see it together as a title and the names of the flowers near the photos. You can add interest to your title by using different fonts or by varying the size of the lines of text. I would also like to see the flowers anchored somehow - maybe a series of blocks behind the photos - grouped together on one side of the page - your title on the other side. If you wish to add some more text about your day - put that under the title. When I look over my old work, what I realize is that I don't remember the facts of the day. I can't remember why we went - what we did there, who was with me... You can mix a photo of the people you were with or a photo of the building - and more small photos of the flowers you saw.
DATE your layout. Date it for the day you did the activity not for the date you created the page - unless the page is about various subjects and trips, then the approximate time span is enough or maybe the date you were inspired to create it. Notice how I've neglected to date my layout... Oops
In my defense, there is a year on this one This layout is what I call a “collage” style page. Square on - no artsy additions or use of mask. No fancy titles.
Although the photos in this layout are not extractions like you have, I still would like to see an anchor of a color block or something, i.e., a thick ribbon, etc. under your flowers. Sometimes I just take a brush at a very large size and drag it across or down the page to make a 'foundation' for my photos. See how these flowers, although not extracted like yours, are anchored by that block running across the page? This page is a little more artsy - achieved easily by using a fancy font and a complex background paper - yet still using the basic tenets of collage making.
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Post by cats4jan on Jan 27, 2022 0:44:18 GMT
When I'm talking about blocks anchoring your extracted flowers - see how the flower and the lantern have a relationship to the blocks? And, note the use of a brush to make the horizontal block across the page. But the brush stroke wasn’t enough. It needed those outlines… These three layouts don't look like they've been created by the same person, but they do convey the points I was trying to make This layout really appeals to me for some reason. Maybe it’s the colors or the graphics — or both… Not everyone is as split-personalitied in their designing as I am
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Post by pontiac1940 on Jan 27, 2022 5:00:47 GMT
Welcome back cjt. Neat idea. I'll defer comments about the layout to the resident scrappers. My comment leans to more "sciency" things. I'd like to see names of the individual flowers. For example, the one in the upper left is probably a prickly pear. Plains Prickly Pear Opuntia polyacanthaJust a thought.
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Post by cjt on Jan 27, 2022 14:16:13 GMT
First and foremost, a big THANK YOU to you great folks. Lots to consider and I do appreciate it. Couple of notes. I was experimenting with the Selection modes in PSE. I have tried several other editors recently and none of them is as easy to use or as good overall. We have visited the International Peace Garden for many years. The cactus collection is like 3 years ago. It was donated by a guy who spent a good part of his life collecting the specimens. The only continent not represented is Antarctica! Right now, there is a major construction project going on to give the amount of room to really display the collection. Right now, everything is very crowded, and so the ID tags are not always present. Next time I visit I'll make sure the collect the names too.
Finally, part of the reason that I keep using PSE is all the good folks on this Board who are so helpful!!! cjt
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Post by cats4jan on Jan 27, 2022 15:48:31 GMT
Sounds like a great place to visit, I can see why you keep going back.
Never fear - you can make a great page without the names of the cacti.
Suggestions for getting those names next time -- take a photo of the sign, then take a photo of the cactus. No pen or paper needed and it's permanently documented.
I do that with cruising. We go on tour and the first thing I photograph is the welcome sign - then I know all the photos that appear after that sign photo are from that stop.
As for PSE - I switched after using a dozen different greeting card, scrapbooking, and photo editing programs but after I discovered PSE, I found what I was missing out on. I've also tried full-blown Photoshop, and I have to say, PSE has all I need or want - it seemed with the full version, there were just too many options to consider each time I did something.
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Post by cjt on Jan 27, 2022 16:40:53 GMT
it seemed with the full version, there were just too many options to consider each time I did something. As if there aren't enough options in PSE!??
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Post by cjt on Jan 27, 2022 17:32:22 GMT
Well, here is another try. I did use only three flowers instead of four. I think there is a way to make selections all the same size. Never though of using a brush like that.
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 27, 2022 18:06:25 GMT
I did use only three flowers instead of four. I think there is a way to make selections all the same size. cjt, yes, there is. If you want Elements to draw your selections all the same size . . . 1. Choose Fixed Size from the Aspect menu. 2. Enter the proportions of your choice in the Width and Height boxes. Note: By default, Elements will enter W: 64 px and H: 64 px.
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Post by cats4jan on Jan 27, 2022 18:12:30 GMT
cjt - I like your second try. As for using three flowers instead of four - scrapbooking 'experts' like uneven numbers - I guess it's more pleasing to the eye. However, it's not a hard and fast 'rule' - although I try to keep it in mind when I create. As for making things the same size - there is a method I use - clipping (grouping) I create same-sized squares and position them. Then I clip a photo to each square. After the square and photo are clipped, you can resize the photo using the move tool while on the photo layer - manipulating the photo to get just what you want showing in the square Here's a copy of a post I did previously: Take the marquee tool and draw out a square - fill it with black using the paint bucket tool (actually color of square is irrelevant, but having a solid color is important in this case) Incorporating Sepiana's comment into this post - hold down the option or alt key with the move tool and grab the square - to make as many duplicates of your square as you wish.clip photo to the black square - In the layers panel, position the photo layer above the solid square layer You will also need to have your photo in proximity of the square on the project itself - To Clip/Group two layers -- While on the photo layer, choose: Layer> Create Clipping Mask There are also keystroke shortcuts, but they vary depending on operating system version Mac/Windows With Mac, use Option Command G When you clip, the only part of the photo that will show is what is clipped to your original shape - in this case, the black square The advantage to this method is that, while on the photo layer, you can move the photo or resize it so just what I want appears as the finished product. You can also select the black square layer and manipulate that - i.e., you can make it larger so more of the photo will show When you make your original black square, pay attention to size/resolution of your square. For Digital Scrapbooking - the accepted resolution is 300 pixels per inch. That resolution is chosen because scrapbook kits are created in that resolution, so if you use a kit, it's easier if you've started with a like resolution. The bottom photo is the photo I started with. The smaller photo is the result of clipping to the black square. Beneath that - what your layer panel should look like -- the little white square with the arrow pointing down, which you see near the left edge of your layer, indicates that layer is clipped to the layer below
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Post by Lillias on Jan 27, 2022 18:40:39 GMT
Well, here is another try. I did use only three flowers instead of four. I think there is a way to make selections all the same size. Never though of using a brush like that. I like your second try very much cjt. I think this presentation does the plants justice as opposed to just showing the flower heads in isolation. Janice has given you a lot of great advice and you won't go wrong following what she says.
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Post by pontiac1940 on Jan 27, 2022 18:46:26 GMT
Like your second edition. Lovely crisp photos too! Nice. I prefer how you show more of each cactus. And BTW, that yellow blossom is definitely not a Plains Prickly Pear ( Opuntia polyacantha)
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 27, 2022 19:24:31 GMT
As for making things the same size - there is a method I use - clipping (grouping) I create same-sized squares and position them. Then I clip a photo to each square. To Clip/Group two layers -- While on the photo layer, choose: Layer> Create Clipping Mask There are also keystroke shortcuts, but they vary depending on operating system version Mac/Windows I think there is a way to make selections all the same size. cjt, Janice already got you on the right direction with this method. I'm just adding some information . . . You can just draw one selection and tell Elements to duplicate/move it. 1. Draw your selection. 2. Fill it with the color of your choice. 3. Activate the Move tool (V). 4. Hold down the Alt/Opt key and drag the selection. NOTE:- When you combine the Move tool with the Alt/Opt key, Elements will duplicate the selection as you drag it. - As you drag the selection, you can make it remain in line by adding the Shift key -- Alt/Opt-Shift. - To have the duplicate selections on their own layers, deselect the selection before proceeding with Move/Duplicate. As to the shortcut to create a clipping mask, Adobe made some changes back in Elements 15. See . . Clipping Mask Gets a New Shortcut.
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