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Post by Dan T on Oct 4, 2022 3:03:18 GMT
Hi,
I came across this forum in my Google search for information regarding Adobe Camera Raw in the just released PSE2023. I have been a long time user of PSE and usually upgrade every 3-4 years so that I don't fall too far behind. I am very happy with PSE2020 (especially with Elements+) and looking through the new features in PSE2023 I don't see much reason for me to upgrade yet unless there is a significant addition to the features of ACR. I shoot raw 99.9% of the time and so ACR is my first port of call in post processing.
Can anyone here help me by describing "What's New" in ACR in PSE2023. I see ACR in PSE 2023 is v14.x while ACR in PSE2020 is v12.x. Hopefully there have been some significant feature additions since v12 apart from extra camera or lens support. Atm I'm thinking of staying with PSE2020 for another year before upgrading. Any comments, feedback much appreciated.
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Post by Dan T on Oct 4, 2022 22:55:26 GMT
Thee feedback I am seeing elsewhere is leading me to stay with PSE2020 for another year and upgrade next year as part of my 3-4 year upgrade cycle.
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Post by pontiac1940 on Oct 5, 2022 5:42:04 GMT
Hi Dan,
Welcome here.
I'm sure someone will correct me.
Won't ACR V14.x also work with PSE 2020? I thought ACR could be upgraded ... I have no idea how backward compatible it is.
Clive
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 5, 2022 7:06:23 GMT
I thought ACR could be upgraded ...
No expert as I never use ACR anymore; however, it has been my experience that ACR can be upgraded "to a point", and then it becomes incompatible with older versions of Elements.
It won't hurt to give it a try as all it can do is either install or say that it can't.
There may even be a list of compatible versions of Elements that you can refer to to see if it will work for you.
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Post by Dan T on Oct 5, 2022 8:45:09 GMT
Hi Dan, Welcome here. I'm sure someone will correct me. Won't ACR V14.x also work with PSE 2020? I thought ACR could be upgraded ... I have no idea how backward compatible it is. Clive I thought ACR could be upgraded ...
No expert as I never use ACR anymore; however, it has been my experience that ACR can be upgraded "to a point", and then it becomes incompatible with older versions of Elements.
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Thank you Clive and BuckSkin. Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing or hearing somewhere that you can "hot-wire" later versions of ACR into PSE than what comes installed with PSE or as an Upgrade via Help->Upgrades. Atm when I check for updates in PSE I see that Updates is grayed out under Help meaning that I have the latest version of ACR (v12.x) that comes legitimately with PSE2020. I'm not really keen on hot-wiring apps as it most likely will cause headaches when I come around to upgrading PSE and then trying to uninstall the previous version of PSE and its hot-wired ACR. |
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Post by pontiac1940 on Oct 5, 2022 21:39:12 GMT
I see ACR in PSE 2023 is v14.x while ACR in PSE2020 is v12.x. Yes, you are correct. It seems you are unable to use ACRV14 with PSE 2020. (See below.) For some reason, I thought we could get the latest ACR for older versions of PSE. The upgrades usually don't have a lot of new photo editing features but ACR 14 has some new masking features that might be of interest. You know this. helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html |
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Post by stinson on Oct 19, 2022 15:56:06 GMT
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Post by stinson on Oct 19, 2022 17:34:24 GMT
Just updated to 15. Not seeing any obvious changes to the interface. Pelican image processed with ACR15.   |
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Post by michelb on Oct 19, 2022 18:48:50 GMT
Just updated to 15. Not seeing any obvious changes to the interface. Pelican image processed with ACR15. Same for me. As already mentionned, PSE2023 comes with ACR 14.4 and if you have a really new camera needing ACR 15 you can 'update' the list of newly supported cameras by using the workaround suggested in Sepiana's resources for ACR. Don't expect to see anything new in the interface of the Elements ACR version. If your raw files are already supported, no need to update.
To summarize my experience with recent Camera Raw versions for Elements:
Pro: A wide range of presets when starting with raws. A pity most users won't notice them...
Negative: - still the awkward new crop solution, which is 'shaky' and slow due to the GPU not beeing used
- New bug which has been unnoticed since a few new versions. If you shoot raw and want to take advantage of the wider aRGB color space provided by your color setting preference (optimize for printing), then, that does no longer work, you open your files only in sRGB. Reported and hopefully fixed in a next version? - lack of detailed tutorials dedicated to PSE Camera Raw users.
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Post by stinson on Oct 19, 2022 18:51:46 GMT
Just updated to 15. Not seeing any obvious changes to the interface. Pelican image processed with ACR15.
- New bug which has been unnoticed since a few new versions. If you shoot raw and want to take advantage of the wider aRGB color space provided by your color setting preference (optimize for printing), then, that does no longer works, you open your files only in sRGB. Reported and hopefully fixed in a next version?
This was interesting. I found this and was trying to see if I missed a setting. I shoot in Adobe RGB and was wondering how to change the default. Now I know its a bug and will have to do this manually for now. Thanks. |
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Post by michelb on Oct 19, 2022 20:04:40 GMT
- New bug which has been unnoticed since a few new versions. If you shoot raw and want to take advantage of the wider aRGB color space provided by your color setting preference (optimize for printing), then, that does no longer works, you open your files only in sRGB. Reported and hopefully fixed in a next version?
This was interesting. I found this and was trying to see if I missed a setting. I shoot in Adobe RGB and was wondering how to change the default. Now I know its a bug and will have to do this manually for now. Thanks. If you shoot raw, you shoot raw, your are not shooting in aRGB, sRGB nor ProPhoto... Raw data don't have any color space. If you shoot jpeg, your camera may offer the choice between sRGB or aRGB. So you have to tell your raw converter what color space to be used to transmit to your pixel editor. In PS; Bridge or LR, that choice is in preferences/presets of the Camera Raw engine itself. In Elements, that choice is in the 'Color settings' menu of the editor (shortcut Shift Ctrl K). You choose to optimize for print (aRGB) or screen (sRGB). The camera raw plugin then reads that option and outputs a true aRGB color space to the editor. At least that was true before PSE2019. Just set your preference to optimize for print and open a raw file. It will be in sRGB. So why did this change go unnoticed? For me, it was mainly that I don't print much now except for photo books. For others, it's possible that they converted from sRGB to aRGB, which makes no sense at all. All the 'out of gamut' colors missing in the shorter sRGB color space are not recovered in the conversion.
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Post by stinson on Oct 20, 2022 2:44:52 GMT
Michel, yes that is for my jpgs. I show RAW&Jpg so I wanted to match. And I did find the Color Settings, and did see it wasn’t working as expected - exactly the bug you pointed out. Thanks for the detailed explanations.
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 20, 2022 21:02:28 GMT
Michael, you are correct. Unfortunately, there are limitations. Here are my findings. (Testing done on Elements installed on two computers.) PSE 2022, PSE 2023 -- ACR 15 update was successful. PSE 2020, PSE 2021 -- ACR 15 update was a no-go, Elements crashed. |
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