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Post by Inspeqtor on Aug 17, 2020 4:40:50 GMT
I am trying to learn Canon DPP 4 a little bit. There is a video tutorial that in the very first lesson it deals with what I needed to learn on a photograph. My photo was taken of a train car with the Sun behind but still high in the sky which makes the train car look dark. I was able to brighten up the car very well as there are only about 4-5 steps to do and the job is done! I did do this with a RAW image. This is the original image:  When I was done with the image it looked like this within DPP.  When saving an image within DPP I can only re-save it still in RAW so then I re-open the RAW file in Elements 2020 to be able to rename the file to JPG. My problem is when I then open the newly saved RAW file (I ALWAYS slightly rename the file when saving it so I still have the original forever) within PSE at this point for what ever reason, when in PSE the RAW file is as dark as the original! On the left side is the original dark image. On the right side is the newly re-worked and renamed RAW file after opening it in Elements  Both by inspeqtor, on Flickr For reference here is a close up I took of this car which shows the true color. My new image made in DPP may be a little bit too bright, but I still like it!  IMG_0967-R1600 by inspeqtor, on Flickr I hope someone here can help me out. Is there something I am doing wrong somewhere?? I wish it were possible when saving a file within DPP to change the file type same as is possible within Elements..... Thank you all! |
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Post by BuckSkin on Aug 17, 2020 5:32:27 GMT
Let me first say that I like your capture of a Sperry Rail Service Inspection Car.
I worked at Norfolk Southern - Danville Yard and have always had an appreciation for anything railroad.
A dear friend of mine recently married this rough-looking tattoo-covered, peeled headed, pierced all over guy who actually works for Sperry and gets paid to travel all over.
Now, about the DPP:
First, by loading the edited RAW file in any other program that program will ignore any edits done by any other program and display/edit the original un-edited RAW file, which is why you are seeing what you see.
Second, although I am not certain whether I have ever used DPP4, I have used Canon DPP a lot, and I would be highly surprised if there is no means of converting your edited RAW to TIFF and jpeg; in fact, if memory serves, DPP offers an option to save in both, TIFF and jpeg, at the same time.
Investigate the Save As dialogue and I bet there is an option to save TIFF and/or jpeg.
I may actually have Canon DPP4, as I just recently got a new-to-me 7DMkII and there are a bunch of installation discs in the box that I haven't even looked at yet; if I do have DPP4, I will install it and see what I can figure out.
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Post by BuckSkin on Aug 17, 2020 5:38:51 GMT
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Post by Inspeqtor on Aug 17, 2020 15:09:28 GMT
Let me first say that I like your capture of a Sperry Rail Service Inspection Car. I worked at Norfolk Southern - Danville Yard and have always had an appreciation for anything railroad. A dear friend of mine recently married this rough-looking tattoo-covered, peeled headed, pierced all over guy who actually works for Sperry and gets paid to travel all over. Now, about the DPP: First, by loading the edited RAW file in any other program that program will ignore any edits done by any other program and display/edit the original un-edited RAW file, which is why you are seeing what you see. Second, although I am not certain whether I have ever used DPP4, I have used Canon DPP a lot, and I would be highly surprised if there is no means of converting your edited RAW to TIFF and jpeg; in fact, if memory serves, DPP offers an option to save in both, TIFF and jpeg, at the same time. Investigate the Save As dialogue and I bet there is an option to save TIFF and/or jpeg. I may actually have Canon DPP4, as I just recently got a new-to-me 7DMkII and there are a bunch of installation discs in the box that I haven't even looked at yet; if I do have DPP4, I will install it and see what I can figure out. I had to Google the Danville Yard....looks like it is in Kentucky. My father was a railroader for 40 years starting with the New York Central in the 30's then retiring from Penn-Central in 1975 I believe it was. He worked out of the Robert Young yards in Elkhart. When the yards were first built in the 50's at THAT time it was the LARGEST rail yard in the WORLD! Here is a google view of the yards today:  Dad took me and the family to the yards many times when I was a child up until he retired. I know how the yard works, bringing in new trains then separating the train cars into new trains using the hump. You would also know how that works also. For others that may be interested, here is a youtube video I found many years ago that someone made showing the expanse of the yard, also showing a single train car going from the hump all the way to finally connect up slowly with a new set of cars to travel to it's new destination. www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2mX49inMcU&t=334sThis is another google shot, the red arrow points o the hump.  OK, back to DPP I also asked a friend at the photography forum, he told me I had to use "Convert and Save" which I never noticed. I was so used to Elements going to "Save As" knowing doing that would convert to many formats. I thought that "SAVE AS" would work in EVERY program, only to find out today that is not true! |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Aug 17, 2020 15:30:38 GMT
I wanted to also mention about the Elkhart rail yards, there are 72 tracks within the center area for new trains to be made in. The sad thing is when driving by the side of the yards there is no way for anyone to really know just how large this place really is. You can only see it if you happen to be flying over it at a lower altitude or by using Google Maps.
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 17, 2020 15:55:13 GMT
I am trying to learn Canon DPP 4 a little bit. My problem is when I then open the newly saved RAW file (I ALWAYS slightly rename the file when saving it so I still have the original forever) within PSE at this point for what ever reason, when in PSE the RAW file is as dark as the original! I hope someone here can help me out. Is there something I am doing wrong somewhere? First, by loading the edited RAW file in any other program that program will ignore any edits done by any other program and display/edit the original un-edited RAW file, which is why you are seeing what you see. Charles, BuckSkin is correct. I'm just going to follow on his steps. The first thing you need to do is to decide where you edit your RAW files -- either using DPP or using ACR in Elements. If you use DPP and, then, try to continue your editing in ACR in Elements, your DPP editing will be ignored. The editing commands are not compatible between DPP and ACR in Elements. If you prefer to use DPP, use the "Convert and Save" feature and save your file as TIFF. Then, you can edit it in PSE. |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Aug 18, 2020 5:42:22 GMT
I am trying to learn Canon DPP 4 a little bit. My problem is when I then open the newly saved RAW file (I ALWAYS slightly rename the file when saving it so I still have the original forever) within PSE at this point for what ever reason, when in PSE the RAW file is as dark as the original! I hope someone here can help me out. Is there something I am doing wrong somewhere? First, by loading the edited RAW file in any other program that program will ignore any edits done by any other program and display/edit the original un-edited RAW file, which is why you are seeing what you see. Charles, BuckSkin is correct. I'm just going to follow on his steps. The first thing you need to do is to decide where you edit your RAW files -- either using DPP or using ACR in Elements. If you use DPP and, then, try to continue your editing in ACR in Elements, your DPP editing will be ignored. The editing commands are not compatible between DPP and ACR in Elements. If you prefer to use DPP, use the "Convert and Save" feature and save your file as TIFF. Then, you can edit it in PSE. Yes, I did learn the hard way that by editing in DPP, Elements does not recognize the work done in DPP. I did use Convert and Save inside DPP, but I did save as a JPG not TIFF. Why would TIFF be better? Could I post a TIFF image here in this forum or most any other forum? |
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Post by BuckSkin on Aug 18, 2020 10:19:31 GMT
Why would TIFF be better? Could I post a TIFF image here in this forum or most any other forum? This is not the whole story on TIFF and jpeg; but, consider it like this: A TIFF file is like a classic truck, with serviceable bearings and big heavy duty serviceable components; whereas, a jpeg is akin to a modern disposable truck. Like the modern truck, a jpeg is much more user-friendly and versatile and takes a lot less space; whereas, a TIFF is much better when it comes time to be worked on. ( A RAW file is the Peterbilt of files and the father of the TIFF) Make both, a TIFF (or PSD), and a jpeg; the jpeg for viewing and sending here and there; the TIFF (or PSD) for when you want to revisit the image and dig in and alter something = you can then save a jpeg version of that as well. Is any of this making sense ? |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Aug 18, 2020 12:13:08 GMT
I think what you are saying is this; A TIFF file is kinda sorta like a RAW file, I can alter a TIFF file, where as a JPEG I know is not THAT alterable.
Can I post a TIFF file to a forum?
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 18, 2020 13:04:21 GMT
Can I post a TIFF file to a forum? It depends on the image hosting site being used. For example, imgbb allows you to upload TIFF files. However, you need to keep the following in mind . . . - TIFF is a lossless format. - It preserves your photo's information (data). - It lets you save layers. - The file size can be really big. According to the PSE Help file, . . . Source: Optimizing images |
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Post by BuckSkin on Aug 18, 2020 18:00:53 GMT
Can I post a TIFF file to a forum? I highly suggest anyone to get free FastStone; and, for posting images on websites, use FastStone's superior "Batch Convert" feature to make a down-sized version of one or a whole batch of images. For example, FaceBook's (unless they have changed again) optimum screen viewing size is 960 pixels on the long side; this results in an image file that is about 7% as much data as the original jpeg file from a Canon Rebel. One of these downsized files will literally fly through a slow internet connection. Also, if you are one to worry about such things, the FastStone converter has the option of stripping the EXIF data from the downsized files; of course, this also strips away a lot of useful information, such as Date Taken and GPS coordinates. I, myself, fail to see anything in a pictures EXIF that could bring criminals to my door that wouldn't find their way there anyway, so I never strip the information. |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Aug 18, 2020 20:19:03 GMT
Thank you BuckSkin!
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 18, 2020 20:45:41 GMT
Just putting in a good word for Photoshop Elements, particularly for the benefit of new users of this program who may be following this thread.  PSE does have the ability to batch-process photos -- Expert mode>File>Process Multiple Files. You can . . . - Change image size (Width, Height, Resolution settings). - Change file formats. - Rename files. - Apply Quick Fix commands. - Add copyright information (Watermarks). - Add captions. Inspeqtor , If I remember it correctly, you have Andrei Doubrovski 's Elements+. You can also use it to batch-process your photos. Batch processing with Photoshop Elements and Elements+ |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Aug 18, 2020 20:56:12 GMT
Just putting in a good word for Photoshop Elements, particularly for the benefit of new users of this program who may be following this thread. PSE does have the ability to batch-process photos -- Expert mode>File>Process Multiple Files. You can . . . - Change image size (Width, Height, Resolution settings). - Change file formats. - Rename files. - Apply Quick Fix commands. - Add copyright information (Watermarks). - Add captions. Inspeqtor , If I remember it correctly, you have Andrei Doubrovski 's Elements+. You can also use it to batch-process your photos. Batch processing with Photoshop Elements and Elements+Sepiana, You DO have a very GOOD memory! I did buy Elements+, but for PSE 13 and 15 only. Don't I have to buy for each newer version if I want to continue using it? I would have to do a search to find them again. Can I use one of them on Elements 2020? |
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 18, 2020 21:04:34 GMT
Charles, I suggest you contact Andrei Doubrovski and ask him these questions. He is best qualified to answer them. |
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