Roger S
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Post by Roger S on Jan 30, 2022 2:19:20 GMT
Hp spectre 4k laptop and pse 2022 new install Windows 11: The drop down font for the editor is way too big...the drop down menu on the organizer is properly displayed. Any idea how to fix the editor? The display resolution on the laptop is set to recommended 3840x2160 and the scale is set to recommended 250%. It seems the organizer sees this correctly, but the editor does not.   |
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Post by Andy on Jan 30, 2022 2:24:32 GMT
I upgraded to 2022 and noticed that as well.
Under Preferences: Display & Cursors, there is an option called UI Scale Factor. By default it is Auto (which for me and you the same as "Large"). Switch it to small and the font will get significantly smaller - too small in my opinion. I'd like a choice for "Medium"
Note that you have to restart PSE for the change to take effect.
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Roger S
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Post by Roger S on Jan 30, 2022 2:40:05 GMT
Yes, I noticed that also. It seems auto and large are the same and have the same effect as how it is currently set. If I switch it to small, everything in the program gets smaller, so the dropdown menu is proper but everything else in the program is too small to be usable. It seems odd that the organizer displays everything properly but the editor does not. Hopefully someone here has a fix, or I'll just have to work with my giant menu dropdowns:)
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 30, 2022 2:48:14 GMT
Hp spectre 4k laptop and pse 2022 new install Windows 11: The drop down font for the editor is way too big...the drop down menu on the organizer is properly displayed. Any idea how to fix the editor? The display resolution on the laptop is set to recommended 3840x2160 and the scale is set to recommended 250%. It seems the organizer sees this correctly, but the editor does not. Hi Roger, I also have PSE 2022 and I noticed the same thing. My 4K monitor has a 3840 x 2160 resolution (recommended). The Scale and Layout is set to 200%. The UI Scale Factor is set to "Automatic". This issue was brought up in another thread. See michelb's explanation. photoshopelementsandmore.com/post/92666 |
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Roger S
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Post by Roger S on Jan 30, 2022 3:10:11 GMT
Thank you for your response. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with this issue. If I understand correctly, there is no fix or work around. What are you doing on your 4K monitor? Do you just live with a super sized submenus? Again, it just seems odd that everything works as expected on the organizer menus, but not on the editor menus .
Thanks
Cheers,
Roger
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 30, 2022 3:35:34 GMT
I just live with these humongous menus. When the Organizer's menus started looking larger (in an earlier Elements version), I wished the same would happen to the menus in the Editor. I should have heeded the saying -- "Be careful what you wish for". My wish came true but . . . now some of the Editor's menus take over the whole length of the workspace. C'est la vie! |
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Post by michelb on Jan 30, 2022 8:04:55 GMT
I just live with these humongous menus. When the Organizer's menus started looking larger (in an earlier Elements version), I wished the same would happen to the menus in the Editor. I should have heeded the saying -- "Be careful what you wish for". My wish came true but . . . now some of the Editor's menus take over the whole length of the workspace. C'est la vie!
Yes, Sepiana, indeed "c'est la vie !" Both the editor and the organizer were born 20 years ago separately and developped on different software components. That's a very looong... history.
Half way, a big change happened which made the user interface obsolete (mainly in Windows). It was the advent of high res displays. I should say another change happened at the same time: the trend to migrate from desktops to laptops. It took about 4 to 5 years for Microsoft and Adobe to find a workaround: the 200% vs 100% display arrangement (PSE13 ?). That applied to the editor, not to the organizer which was coded on other resources. In PSE11 a new organizer interface was introduced with other drastic changes. The organizer could recognize the new text settings in Windows. No problem to set text to 125, 150%. Those settings did not apply to the editor, where a 150% setting woud have been necessary.
So, apart from some recent Windows options to use 'legacy' UI settings, no real change in UI happened until PSE2022. This was made to offer an answer to the growing part of the PSE users with laptops with high res and small displays. And indeed, that change was easier to implement and helped a lot the targeted market. Those drop-down menus are crucial for text reading. The fixed ones are not. Drawback: a few drop-down menus don't show entirely without scrolling. Other drawback: you don't imagine how many PSE users are still working on low res displays with a vertical res of less or just the 800 pixels system requirement. Even with 800 pixels, there are incompatibilities with Windows options like auto hiding the task bar. You can't please everybody.
The hard and sad reality is that you can't have the same UI layout for everybody. It's obvious that phone apps derived from desktop UI are different, and there should be the same difference for laptop users of modern high res small displays and those of old low res laptops. What is critical is the number of horizontal menu options and the number of tools in the vertical bar. Even forgetting that a total rewriting of the editor on a modern flexible UI platform is not a realistic hope, changing that layout with more menu levels would be relatively easy, but you don't imagine the very strong resistance to any interface change or menus layout.
Just last week, a user did bitterly complain that the addition of new automatic features in the Ehanced dropdown menu (moving photos, overlays...) destroyed his usual workflow to select routinely the 'Unsharp masks' he applies to all his pictures selecting the option in the bottom.
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Post by Sepiana on Feb 3, 2022 16:14:57 GMT
I just live with these humongous menus. When the Organizer's menus started looking larger (in an earlier Elements version), I wished the same would happen to the menus in the Editor. I should have heeded the saying -- "Be careful what you wish for". My wish came true but . . . now some of the Editor's menus take over the whole length of the workspace. C'est la vie!Yes, Sepiana, indeed "c'est la vie !" Both the editor and the organizer were born 20 years ago separately and developped on different software components. That's a very looong... history. Michael, You are quite an Elements historian. Thanks! I've learned a lot from your explanation. I didn't realize the Editor and the Organizer had come about in such a way. Now I understand why the text in the Organizer was the first to be displayed larger. Then, the text in the Editor followed suit. This may also explain why earlier versions of Elements would show a three-head cursor for some tools in the Editor while the Organizer would remain unaffected. It took a recoding back in Elements 10 to fix this. Now Elements abides by Microsoft user-interface standards which require applications to support text sizes larger than 100%. The hard and sad reality is that you can't have the same UI layout for everybody.
What is critical is the number of horizontal menu options and the number of tools in the vertical bar. Even forgetting that a total rewriting of the editor on a modern flexible UI platform is not a realistic hope, changing that layout with more menu levels would be relatively easy, but you don't imagine the very strong resistance to any interface change or menus layout. Just last week, a user did bitterly complain that the addition of new automatic features in the Ehanced dropdown menu (moving photos, overlays...) destroyed his usual workflow to select routinely the 'Unsharp masks' he applies to all his pictures selecting the option in the bottom. I can imagine it! I still remember the complaints about the revamped Tools panel introduced in Elements 11. Some thought it looked too gimmicky, child-like, with those larger colorful icons. Maybe Adobe should consider giving Elements the ability to hide menu items the way its big brother, Photoshop, does. We can hide menu items we have no use for by going to Keyboards and Shortcuts (Ctrl-Alt-Shift-K) and clicking on the eye icon. I learnt this "trick" in a webinar by Dave Cross. Now my Photoshop menus are streamlined, easier to navigate. |
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