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Post by michelb on Feb 16, 2023 13:30:10 GMT
My understanding is that you don't need to deactivate when uninstalling and reinstalling on the same computer. The Adobe activation server will recognize the identification of your computer hardware. I think that most users do deactivate as a safety measure. Do you get any error message?
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Post by michelb on Feb 7, 2023 7:57:05 GMT
Thank you Michelb. Unfortunately, I can't find bridge or the downloader on my system. Is there any direction you can give as to it's location on windows 11? Or do I need to download it separately? Hi Roger, Using Bridge together with Elements has been discussed here, but not specifically for your downloading purpose. The important information which is rarely understood is that the creative cloud membership itself (not a subscription) is free and gives access to Bridge, which is also free. I would recommend installing the creative cloud software because it's the normal way to install Adobe apps, including Bridge. You don't need to subscribe to any other Adobe apps. The creative cloud app may be also important to solve licencing issues when reinstalling old PSE version. It has been installed recently together with PSE to replace the old AAM licence manager; I don't know the details, but that was the solution to many issues with licencing.
I am not sure to understand your purpose to avoid opening the organizer automatically after the download, but you can take advantage of Bridge, which is a strong image browser to manage your library on your drives BEFORE getting the files into the organizer catalogs. Keep in mind that the golden rule of the organizer is to move, delete or rename files ONLY from the organizer once they are in the catalog. That is true with the Explorer, Bridge... or even with photos managed in two different PSE catalogs.
Just a warning about a common misunderstanding about working with raw files: Bridge can only use the limited ACR plugin of Elements, not the full ACR of Photoshop, which requires a Photoshop subscription.
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Post by michelb on Feb 6, 2023 20:08:04 GMT
I like the Elements photo downloader to auto download my photos from my camera. Is there a way to use it without opening PSE 2022? I'd like to be able to plug in my camera, have pse2023 photodownloader open and download (like it currently does) but then NOT open PSE 2023 browser? Suggestion: Use the downloader in Bridge, which is free with Elements. You can use the Elements downloader afterwards to 'Get photos from files or folders' to register/index the downloaded files into your Organizer catalog.
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Post by michelb on Jan 4, 2023 8:54:53 GMT
Did you notice the four icons aligned vertically from the top right corner? The 4th one, [...] just under the eye, is a menu allowing to switch to different settings, Reset to open, reset to default, apply previous settings... That's another way to toggle between before and after.
As I see it, the xmp file is not the only place where the settings are stored when you exit the ACR with 'Done' or 'Open'. There is a copy of the just closed list of settings stored somewhere in PSE to allow retrieving the 'previous settings'.
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Post by michelb on Jan 3, 2023 17:37:37 GMT
I suspect that the import into the catalog takes place when you save your edited version in the editor. The 'save as' dialog options start with a checkbox allowing saving in the organizer, which means importing the file. Take care not to tick that option if you want to work outside of the organizer.
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Post by michelb on Dec 31, 2022 14:48:43 GMT
Exactly, that is the default behaviour of the organizer. The obvious reason is that you are supposed to work in a single catalog and having a display of images in other catalogs or not in any catalog mixed together as well would be very confusing. However, that default behaviour can be simply changed to something like the Explorer. A big problem to show exactly the full Explorer view would be a performance problem. Showing eveything works well with Bridge, for instance, because Bridge does not work on a catalog. It manages a 'cache' which does not include all files in the computer, only the most recent and meaningful ones. If you keep in mind that while you are working in a PSE catalog, there could be all sorts of changes in the folders structure, from other external softwares or even other catalogs, it would take ages to update to external changes; the present behaviour has replaced the one of first versions of the organizer which were really 'buggy'.
So, the working compromise is to restrict showing 'Explorer' view to a single folder and its subfolders. In the folder tree on the left, right click on the master folder of the branch you want to see like in the Explorer, and choose to 'show all'.
Yes, if they have not been edited in the meantime.
Do you mean that you have folders chosen in the 'watched folders' menu? If so, edit that menu to only keep the folders you want to keep monitored or none if you wish.
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Post by michelb on Dec 31, 2022 8:48:26 GMT
Thanks, michelb, for your reply. I must not have made this clear: I'm NOT working at 600% Zoom (View setting) in PSE. What I am doing is running Windows' accessibility feature Magnifier, set to 600% to be able (barely) to read this text. Magnifier makes EVERYTHING on the Windows desktop (and applications running on it) larger than normal. This means that what I see is 1/6 the width and 1/6 the height of the Windows display space-- therefore 1/36 the area. That's less than 3% of Windows' on-screen real estate. The other 97% are outside my field of view. This is why I admire developers who send the mouse cursor to dialogs (and my view with it) rather than opening them at some unnecessary distance from where I'm working. PSE does not earn many points on this score, opening dialogs in odd places and not bothering to send the cursor (or, for that matter, the keyboard focus) to them. I have learned where to pan to see the more common ones, but one shouldn't have to. Such disregard for user productivity in PSE is disappointing. Unless you've tried working with Magnifier, you might not fully grasp what it's like. Try it sometime. First, take the time to read what I did explain. I understand that for you, using the the Magnifier is a must. For me, it's a tool to be used when the normal user interface can't display for your requirements. I am convinced the 'normal' UI in PSE (and I still don't agree that it has been changed) does the job of zooming around the cursor position. And I gave you two ways to do that. Did you try them? Did you even read them? If you absolutely want to use the magnifier, you must have your own reasons and I can't help you. The only thing I'll do will be to work with my son who is visually very impaired with a very narrow field of vision. I'll report my findings here.
About your remark re Acrobat: You can't compare different softwares created independently before being sold afterwards by the same company. Their purpose is different as well as for Illustrator, Indesign etc. The task of the developper of pixel editor is to make zooming and scrolling fast and easy as you are expecting in your image AND to make reading text, menus and icons large enough to be readable for you. That last task does require magnifying for you.
The two normal solutions I explain, from the two icons: magnifyer and hand tool let you select your tiny area without caring about the center and zoom widely and instantly with the scrollwheel - and around the cursor position precisely with the hand tool.
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Post by michelb on Dec 30, 2022 20:47:27 GMT
Hi popcorn,
"The Organizer "Folder Tree" only goes as far as the folder containing the file, it does not allow access to individual files." The folders panel in folder tree mode allow selecting files in the displaying space on the right and moving them by drag and drop into a given subfolder. You have a problem if the destination subfolder does no already contain catalogued files; you have to make them 'show'. So, it may be better to use the command 'File > move'.
As I see it, the root problems you have in your expected workflow is that: - 1 - You have a number of folders from temporary 'import batches' where you have both 'imported = registered' files in the catalog and others not imported, that is not known to the catalog. - 2 - For the imported files, there is no easy way to distinguish edited or not edited files. An action on your part may be necessary to add tags, change formats (saving as psd, tiff...), save as, create version sets, play with stars...
Moving files or subfolders in the folders panel by drag and drop can work just like in the explorer view provided all files and folders are visible in that folders panel. Generally, organizer users don't care very much about a 'clean' and 'logical' folder structure if the tagging system is logical. However, that is quite possible, and the only drawback is more work.
What can help you in your situation? - if your temporary folders contain both registered and unregistered files in the catalog, do reimport the whole folder. Only the unregistered ones will be imported. The other will be skipped and not duplicated. That 'import batch' will be recoverable when you want. That's a way to distinguish different import batches. I suppose only files imported in the organizer have been edited? - perhaps using 'save as' option to create systematically version sets would help to know the editing status while keeping originals and edited versions stacked together. Easy to move the stack to the final location. Already edited files show and you can decide for the unedited ones if you cull or edit.
Does this help for a start?
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Post by michelb on Dec 29, 2022 7:59:28 GMT
Hi Spainy53n You have already asked in a similar conversation in the Elements Adobe forum:
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I can't understand how you can work in a fixed 600% zoom ratio. Without any magnification for impaired vision, my suggestion is to use the existing tools. - Use the preference option to zoom with cropwheel. - Pay special attention to the two top icons: magnifier AND hand tool. - It's natural to first navigate very quickly to the small area of the picture, no need to be precisely on the center of the shown area. So, use the zoom tool icon for showing that area on the display. You can adjust the zoom ratio with the scroll wheel and the position by keeping the space bar down. Normally, that should require less than two seconds. Then, you also have the option to select the hand icon next to the magnifier. You set your cursor on your chosen pixels and use the scrollwheel to zoom in AROUND the position of the cursor. Again two seconds at most.
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Post by michelb on Dec 28, 2022 21:24:54 GMT
As far as managing my images I use Adobe Bridge … since I never see it mentioned here, I wonder if anyone else uses it. PeteB, I use Adobe Bridge, too. I learned a long time ago that the Bridge is looked down upon by many so-called knowledgeable people. They use Lightroom, mostly, and I just don't "get" LR...too many things constantly go wrong with it! Anyway, I've used Bridge since I started using Photoshop back in 2003, and love it. The obvious reason Bridge is not much mentioned here, apart from discussions about metadata management and Camera Raw connection, is that from the beginning, Elements had its own management system based on catalogs and databases : the organizer companion. That was before Lightroom was launched. Historically, it was not available for Mac users, so Adobe offered Bridge for a couple of years before the organizer was added to Mac PSE versions. I am a notorious fan of the organizer, but I have used Lightroom for some time (I like it too, but for my own needs, I can do what I want with only the organizer). I also use Bridge which is available in the free Creative Cloud. It has a superior metadata management capacity and batch processing. In my particular case, it's no secret that as an 'Adobe Community Expert' I have a free access to the Photographer's Creative Cloud (PS + LR...) which I don't use except for learning and answering questions, but not for my own needs. The real advantage for me is that the piece of software I need most is ACR, the full version of PS, not the limited one of PSE. This enables me to use Bridge + the full ACR as a full solution to raw processing, the file management of LR being easily performed in the organizer. Bridge is set as my alternative processor. This lets me select files in the organizer, send them to Bridge from which I can open the full ACR. So, while I still consider that Bridge can't compete with the organizer in terms of organizing and speed of searches, it's now a regular tool in my workflow.
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Post by michelb on Dec 18, 2022 13:46:28 GMT
Hi popcorn,
There are a number of similar issues recently with menus not appearing of being ineffective with the organizer. Among the new issues: - updates to Win 11 - hiding the taskbar automatically - Elements stuck while trying to connect to printer via Wifi. - problems with high res displays ...
I recommend to get in touch with Adobe Care and/or asking in the Adobe Elements forum:
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Post by michelb on Dec 18, 2022 9:09:23 GMT
What I don't understand is: "I cropped this "test" raw owl photo in ACR. Opened it in PSE and renamed it as a jpg."
When you click 'Open' in the ACR dialog, you are telling the plugin to process the raw data and transmit the result to the editor in photo format (internally pdf or tiff, that does not matter, but it's no longer a raw format). The file has been processed, the colors have been recovered, the tones have been enhanced from the linear curve, AND the crop has been applied. So, the result saved from the editor is already cropped, whether it's jpeg, tiff or psd.
'raw' is not an acronym, it just means raw = unprocessed. There is no color information and what is measured is the intensity of light on each pixel spot. That intensity depends on the amount of light, and that amount is not perceived by the eye proportionnally. Each camera model has its own rules/format and that is considered proprietary data which no software converter can edit.
There comes the 'parametric' solution: never changing the raw data, but adding a processing recipe as a xmp sidecar file or including it in the metadata section of photo formats like jpeg or psd. That parametric editing is necessarily non-destructive.
So, to take advantage of that feature, you must re-open your raw file, not any already processed version. That's why most raw shooters with PSE use the organizer and always save their editing 'versions' in 'version sets'. Just like in the silver age, photographers kept their negatives to be able to re-process without loss.
Now, how to get back to the original raw file? It's always there if you did not overwrite it. The difference is that the 'recipe' has been saved, whether you clicked 'Done' or 'Open'. Clicking 'Done' just saved that recipe without producing a 'cooked' result in photo format. Using a 'parametric' editing with Lightroom or ACR means that you don't need to output any 'cooked' results, only save the 'recipe'. Or creating systematically an output as a 'version set' is also non-destructive workflow, since the original raw is still unchanged and uncropped.
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Another trap: you can open and edit jpeg files in ACR, that does not mean that the jpeg file is a "raw" file. Only that ACR can edit non-destructively such photo formats with its own tools. That is very important to be able to use the same tools for raw as well as non raw files. Particularly to be able to batch edit many files in the same session.
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Post by michelb on Dec 16, 2022 22:22:45 GMT
the main advantage of the cropping in the ACR: It's non destructive. Thanks Michel. But I do not understand. I opened a poor raw photo (that I did not care about) in ACR, cropped it and opened in PSE 2023. I saved the jpg in PSE. Then I opened the raw fill again and it was cropped so I lost the original raw photo. (Well, I still have it saved elsewhere.) Do I have one of the ACR setting set incorrectly? Thanks. Clive When you crop, the 'cropped' area is dark and dimmed: you may not clearly notice it, but it shows around the selected area. To get back to the original version, first select the crop icon (on the right, above the red eye one), click on the lock on the right of 'preset' to 'unlock' the dimensions ratio, or chose the preset 'Full' or click on the the icon on the right of the preset choice. The presets 'full' and 'unlocked' are important for a non desctructive workflow.
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Post by michelb on Dec 12, 2022 18:10:26 GMT
I have always done the crop in ACR as the first step in my workflow. I always believed that then I was basing my ACR edits on the area I intended to incorporate in my final image. It makes it easier to keep my editing focused on the important area. I was also under the impression that the Histogram represented the data for the cropped area. I have now discovered it does not!!! I don't see a mention of the main advantage of the cropping in the ACR: It's non destructive. Yes you have to get used to the new concept, but I must say that now it's ok for me. I think that in PSE2023, on my system, it's much more responsive. I'll have to search if now the GPU is used for cropping. And I don't agree with the fact that the Histogram represented the data for the cropped area. Just choose an image with shadows and light parts and change the position of the crop. The histogram will follow your crop movement and change accordingly. Do you see the change?
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Post by michelb on Oct 19, 2022 20:04:40 GMT
- New bug which has been unnoticed since a few new versions. If you shoot raw and want to take advantage of the wider aRGB color space provided by your color setting preference (optimize for printing), then, that does no longer works, you open your files only in sRGB. Reported and hopefully fixed in a next version?
This was interesting. I found this and was trying to see if I missed a setting. I shoot in Adobe RGB and was wondering how to change the default. Now I know its a bug and will have to do this manually for now. Thanks. If you shoot raw, you shoot raw, your are not shooting in aRGB, sRGB nor ProPhoto... Raw data don't have any color space. If you shoot jpeg, your camera may offer the choice between sRGB or aRGB. So you have to tell your raw converter what color space to be used to transmit to your pixel editor. In PS; Bridge or LR, that choice is in preferences/presets of the Camera Raw engine itself. In Elements, that choice is in the 'Color settings' menu of the editor (shortcut Shift Ctrl K). You choose to optimize for print (aRGB) or screen (sRGB). The camera raw plugin then reads that option and outputs a true aRGB color space to the editor. At least that was true before PSE2019. Just set your preference to optimize for print and open a raw file. It will be in sRGB. So why did this change go unnoticed? For me, it was mainly that I don't print much now except for photo books. For others, it's possible that they converted from sRGB to aRGB, which makes no sense at all. All the 'out of gamut' colors missing in the shorter sRGB color space are not recovered in the conversion.
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