John
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Post by John on Aug 16, 2015 12:50:27 GMT
Have not broken the code on setting up a personal gallery so I'll connect a couple files to this post. Welcome all comments and critiques, especially the critiques. My concerns are am I overdoing the PP. I use a mix of Lightroom and PSE. Thanks John
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Post by blackmutt on Aug 16, 2015 15:53:25 GMT
A little too saturated on the two and maybe a little over-sharpened on the hummer, but nice capture of the little guy.
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Squirrel2014
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Post by Squirrel2014 on Aug 16, 2015 17:34:40 GMT
Hi Sloaner Yes, lovely photos, particularly the Humming Bird. I don't think we have them in UK but I'm not clued up re birds. Maybe someone will put me right,please I don't know that I would know if a photo had been sharpened or not, to be honest. I am totally inexperienced and niaive re photography I have to agree with Blackmutt in that I find the images too full of colour. It would be interesting to see what they were like 'straight out of camera' so as to compare. Very interesting captures, though. Well done
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Post by Andy on Aug 16, 2015 17:42:48 GMT
maybe a little over-sharpened on the hummer I find the masking function in LR very helpful when sharpening. In this instance, it can prevent the oversharpening of the background (I think the hummer is ok)
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Post by alexr on Aug 16, 2015 17:47:51 GMT
Hi Sloaner, to my eye the second has the most potential to be a great image as it is a nice clean and clear shot, and you've done well to have the head still but the wings blurred. I think you need to reduce the highlights slightly as these seem to have blown out the breast detail. For the other two, I would agree that they seem over-saturated in terms of colour, and also very soft, but I couldn't tell if that was a result of the processing, the original capture or the image upload process. So, some original data would be useful, plus as Squirrel says, the original images to compare. Do you capture RAW or JPG? By the way, what is the third bird? Certainly another we don't have in the UK.
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Post by John on Aug 16, 2015 20:38:09 GMT
Alex
The third bird is a Cardinal. Thats the male, the female is more brown than red. Lot of them here, see some (probable the same one) every day, year round. Posting that picture was a mistake on my part, not a good shot. This camera shots only JPEG and I'm still trying to get used to it. Not shooting RAW was one of the things I had to give up to get the big zoom. These were all shot at 800mm and at that range its hard to find birds in the VF and I still havent found out how to get them to pose for me. Thanks for the comments.
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John
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Post by John on Aug 16, 2015 20:43:51 GMT
maybe a little over-sharpened on the hummer I find the masking function in LR very helpful when sharpening. In this instance, it can prevent the oversharpening of the background (I think the hummer is ok) Thanks for the comments. My favorite of the first 2 is the first. Ignore the Redbird. I use the LR mask for other things but never tried it with sharpening. Will give it a shot. John
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Post by John on Aug 16, 2015 20:47:03 GMT
Hi Sloaner Yes, lovely photos, particularly the Humming Bird. I don't think we have them in UK but I'm not clued up re birds. Maybe someone will put me right,please I don't know that I would know if a photo had been sharpened or not, to be honest. I am totally inexperienced and niaive re photography I have to agree with Blackmutt in that I find the images too full of colour. It would be interesting to see what they were like 'straight out of camera' so as to compare. Very interesting captures, though. Well done Thanks for the comments, Julie. I'll post some SOOC when I get my gallery going
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Post by John on Aug 16, 2015 20:48:54 GMT
A little too saturated on the two and maybe a little over-sharpened on the hummer, but nice capture of the little guy. Thanks for taking the time to help, I need all I can get
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Post by bosely on Aug 18, 2015 5:51:04 GMT
Hi sloaner. With respect to the other replyers, it is very difficult to judge images on the web because everyone's screen has different settings. What looks ok on your screen could appear too dark or too light etc on someone else's screen. The only way to truly judge images is via their prints. But I can try to help regarding the technical aspect of your images. Since you asked for a critique, I have taken the liberty (I hope you don't mind) of downloading your second image and look at it Elements. The first thing I see is that the black point is set too high and hence the lower contrast in your image. I have lowered the black point for each of the rgb channels by adjusting the black point slider in a Levels Adjustment layer. The improvement in the image's tonal range is immediately obvious. The best way to demonstrate what I mean is to upload (see below) the edited image and the its histogram. With further edits and fine-tuning the image could be improved even more. If you have further questions, post back and I will try to help.
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Post by Sepiana on Aug 18, 2015 6:03:22 GMT
bosely,
It is very nice of you to edit the OP's image but as you are new to this forum I would like to bring this to your attention.
Source: Forum Updates - please read
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Post by bosely on Aug 18, 2015 9:31:11 GMT
bosely,
It is very nice of you to edit the OP's image but as you are new to this forum I would like to bring this to your attention.
Source: Forum Updates - please read ok, I didn't realise. But it's difficult and nearly impossible to give meaningful critiques of web images unless you look at the actual data because the image will appear slightly differently on every screen, especially if screens are uncalibrated. eg..I read alexr suggests darkening the highlights but when I look at the rgb values of the bird's breast region in sloaner's posted image I see they are virtually all 255,255,255 (pure white) and so darkening the highlights will have little, if any, effect at all and certainly won't restore any detail. Hopefully the original photo, before any PP, has more detail. sloaner: if you have the original SOOC photo and if you would like to post it I or someone else might be able to advise on PP it.
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Post by cats4jan on Aug 18, 2015 11:38:10 GMT
Sepiana - thanks for reminding us about not editing other's work. I did not know we needed that extra step of permission when someone asks for critique.
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Post by cats4jan on Aug 18, 2015 11:51:44 GMT
Sloaner - you have jumped into photographing some difficult subjects. They just won't sit still when you ask...
As for your photos, I'm in the camp of "less is more." I'm not a fan of super saturated- especially for nature photos. Soft looks better to me.
I'm not much of a photographer, but I am usually pretty happy with what my point and shoot captures in jpg. Your problem may actually be more about zoom than jpg. I have my camera set so zoom doesn't go digital.
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John
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Post by John on Sept 20, 2015 21:54:02 GMT
ok, I didn't realise. But it's difficult and nearly impossible to give meaningful critiques of web images unless you look at the actual data because the image will appear slightly differently on every screen, especially if screens are uncalibrated. eg..I read alexr suggests darkening the highlights but when I look at the rgb values of the bird's breast region in sloaner's posted image I see they are virtually all 255,255,255 (pure white) and so darkening the highlights will have little, if any, effect at all and certainly won't restore any detail. Hopefully the original photo, before any PP, has more detail. sloaner: if you have the original SOOC photo and if you would like to post it I or someone else might be able to advise on PP it. bosely Thanks for taking the time on my shot. I have no problem with you editing my files as long as you don't mess with my original. I'll dig the SOOC file out and post it. John
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