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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 14, 2016 0:12:48 GMT
Using E7 "save for web", I converted a dozen images down to 1250-px long side; it took me forever and the resulting images averaged 1,000-KB with all EXIF data stripped.
I thought there has got to be a better way.
So, I ran the next dozen basically identical images through the batch-convert dialogue "advanced" using FastStone; converting the dozen images happened in a flash --- I mean head-spinning quick.
The puzzling thing is that, while the E7 web-sized images averaged about 1,000-KB, the FastStone images averaged about 325-KB; the measurements are identical and both groups have been stripped of extraneous file information.
Can anyone account for the huge difference in file size ?
For what it is worth, FastStone is a wonderful image handling/viewing program and it is FREE.
Thanks for reading.
On EDIT: I was just looking at these images in Explorer and, when I highlight one of the E7 images there is no information whatsoever, not even the date/time; whereas, when I highlight one of the FastStone images it shows the details, such as author, camera make/model, exposure settings, etc.; all this in a file that is 1/3 the size.
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Post by michelb on Jun 14, 2016 7:06:25 GMT
I don't understand your result. Could you post a screenshot of your 'save for web' dialog? I don't get significant differences between Elements and Faststone (very good!) in speed or size. For instance, a 3.6 Mo (4896 x 3264) converted to 1250 pix: - 95 ko jpeg inferior - 160 ko jpeg middle - 300 ko jpeg high
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Post by Moto on Jun 14, 2016 11:33:30 GMT
I repeated the issue you had. I reduced image width to 1250 pixels.
Results: PSE 14 - Saved on Maxium, Quality 100 = file size of 925 KB. FastStone - Default save quality was 75 = file size of 166 KB.
Conculsion: The jpg quality settings makes the difference in file size. Check your Elements 7 jpg save quality for Web Saves to see if that's what made the difference on your image.
Note: Save quality can be adjusted on FastStone and Elements 14. Check to see if Elements 7 Save for Web save quality is adjustable.
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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 14, 2016 11:36:41 GMT
Could you post a screenshot of your 'save for web' dialog? My gosh......., that is a tall order for someone as ignorant as I; now I am gonna have to learn the what and how of screenshots. I just looked a few days ago and I ?think? my version of FastStone is 5.5; whatever it is, I know it is fairly recent. What you said about quality levels got me to thinking that maybe I inadvertently used a lower quality level in FastStone; so, I took a look at jpeg "settings" and here is what I see: quality slider on 90, color subsampling = High (which at first glance leads the unwary to think that means high image quality; but, on closer examination, I believe it actually may be the lowest quality setting); whatever, the images look good on the old laptop's screen. By the way, my purpose for resizing the images is that I have resurrected the wife's long-forgotten laptop and decided that it would be a good portable means of displaying our "keeper" pictures; it doesn't have much storage capacity, so I figured the downsized images would require less room. I will make a few practice runs using the other color subsampling choices and see what happens; I just bet that you have hit the nail right on the head and a higher setting will yield images closer in KB size to the E7 results. Thanks so much. On EDIT: I just ran the images through FastStone again and this time I selected "disable" in the color subsampling list of choices; thus, a 375KB (High subsampling) image became 674KB I then compared these side-by-side and to my eye there is no difference whatsoever when viewing in "best fit" (fit to screen) There may be noticable difference if I had zoomed way in but that is not my intended purpose for these images. Thanks everyone.
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 14, 2016 15:20:57 GMT
Save quality can be adjusted on FastStone and Elements 14. Check to see if Elements 7 Save for Web save quality is adjustable. Yes, it is. This is a standard feature in the Save for Web dialog across Elements versions.
Optimizing images
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 14, 2016 15:46:38 GMT
now I am gonna have to learn the what and how of screenshots.
You can use the PrtScn key on your keyboard. Press this key once and whatever you see in your screen will be copied to your computer's memory. Then, bring your screen shot into Elements (File>New>Image from Clipboard) and do whichever editing is necessary -- sharpen, resize, crop, Save As, Save for Web, print, etc.
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You can use the Snipping tool to capture a screen shot. Then, open your screen shot in Elements as explained above. windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/snipping-tool-faq#1TC=windows-7
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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 14, 2016 17:32:15 GMT
now I am gonna have to learn the what and how of screenshots.
You can use the PrtScn key on your keyboard. Press this key once and whatever you see in your screen will be copied to your computer's memory. Then, bring your screen shot into Elements (File>New>Image from Clipboard) and do whichever editing is necessary -- sharpen, resize, crop, Save As, Save for Web, print, etc.
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You can use the Snipping tool to capture a screen shot. Then, open your screen shot in Elements as explained above. windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/snipping-tool-faq#1TC=windows-7
Thanks, Sepiana; I guess I am gonna have to do some practicing before I go public. I was not even aware that I had a PrtScn key but now I see that I do and I had no idea what that snipping tool was for.
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Post by Squirrel2014 on Jun 14, 2016 22:40:23 GMT
BuckSkin, once you get the hang of using PrtScn (+Alt will only copy the Active window rather than a complete copy of what you see on your screen) and the Snipping Tool, you'll realise how much that learning to use these tools are worth all the not-very-hard work
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 14, 2016 22:47:49 GMT
Thanks, Sepiana; I guess I am gonna have to do some practicing before I go public. I was not even aware that I had a PrtScn key but now I see that I do and I had no idea what that snipping tool was for. BuckSkin, you are most welcome! Glad to help.
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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 14, 2016 22:59:13 GMT
BuckSkin, once you get the hang of using PrtScn (+Alt will only copy the Active window rather than a complete copy of what you see on your screen) and the Snipping Tool, you'll realise how much that learning to use these tools are worth all the not-very-hard work Thanks for the bit about "ALT"; I probably never would have figured it out on my own. I would really be stumbling around in the dark if it were not for all of you really helpful people on here; a book would not hold everything you guys have taught me thus far and we have only scratched the surface of my poor empty skull.
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Post by Squirrel2014 on Jun 15, 2016 9:34:32 GMT
BuckSkin You're producing some excellent images and I think you are more able than you think you are. Of course there is stuff you don't know but there's a lot of stuff you DO know and can do. None of us can know everything, although some certainly seem to have answers/solutions for everything thrown at the forum but that's life. So, I'm sure most people would admit to 'only knowing what they know' and that knowledge is, fortunately, different in everyone - hence the mount of knowledge on this forum What I'm trying to say, albeit badly, is that I think you are putting yourself down and that you have no reason to. I'm sure we're all learning, all the time, from each other So, give yourself a heads-up for the ability for what you can already do ...
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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 15, 2016 11:16:55 GMT
BuckSkin What I'm trying to say, albeit badly, is that I think you are putting yourself down and that you have no reason to. ... I appreciate your concern; but in reality, I actually figured myself as the smartest man alive until my wife (most likely the smartest woman alive) insisted on us moving out of the 1940s and getting a computer and the internet; prior to that, I didn't think it was humanly possible for one person to be any smarter than I thought I was. Then, a few years ago, we got a computer; and, of course, that required us connecting to the outside world via the internet; then, I got her "one of those good cameras"; and, seeing as how I kept monopolizing her new camera, I got myself a good used one just like it on Ebay; then lurking in a drawer that hadn't been looked in in years, we found the fifteen-year-old brand-new-in-the-box PS Elements 7 that her sister had given her for Christmas some fifteen years ago; and, that soon led to more than a dozen other "free" photo doctoring programs; not to mention PDF readers, word-pads, video converters, movie makers, DVD makers, Internet Explorer, FireFox, Chrome, and Windows XP, and Windows 7, and Ebay, and Amazondotcom, and more, and more; and, all of a sudden, I went from being the smartest man alive to being probably the most bewildered person on the internet. My poor old brain, for years safe and complacent in the knowledge that it already knew far more than it would ever need to know, possibly even a bit conceited and arrogant, has had to absorb more in the last few years than was already in there back when I used to be the smartest man alive. It is truly amazing; will the wonders of the modern world never cease; a few years ago, when we got running water and flush toilets, I thought we were on the precipice of modern technology............little did I know.
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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 16, 2016 11:53:01 GMT
!!!!! This Snipping Tool business is cool !!!!!
I had no idea what it was until you guys explained it.
I just now was in dire need of printing a vital set of instructions from a web-page and did not wish to waste precious ink on all that extra junk that I never seem to be able to omit from my hilite selections.
I took that snipper and just snipped the information right out of there, loaded it in Elements, hit "select all" and "copy to clipboard", pasted it on WordPad, saved it as a text document, and printed it.
Now that I know that I have such a wonderful tool at my disposal, I will be snipping everything in sight.
Thanks so much.
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Post by Squirrel2014 on Jun 16, 2016 23:03:11 GMT
I took that snipper and just snipped the information right out of there, loaded it in Elements, hit "select all" and "copy to clipboard", pasted it on WordPad, saved it as a text document, and printed it. Hi BuckSkin Just as an added note re Snipping Tool, whatever you snip is immediately on the clipboard, so you could have omitted loading it into Elements and gone straight to WordPad, pasted (Ctrl+V) and printed/Saved. Another thing to note is that you can 'draw' arrows, circles etc onto the image in Snipping Tool (before or after initial snip) and paste your markings too. ie, everytime you add/remove anything in the Snip window will be automatically held on the clipboard which can be pasted. So, you could do an intial Snip, paste this image, then draw on the image and paste the marked image too, all without saving first, if wanted. You can also erase part of the image, highlight words etc. See the tools at the top of the window and play around with them to experiment. You'll just love it all Hope that makes sense Julie
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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 17, 2016 0:50:44 GMT
Julie, it makes perfect sense.
That snipping tool is sharper than a new pair of scissors, that's for certain !!!
Thanks for the information.
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