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Post by tangomike on Jun 24, 2016 23:37:30 GMT
I've only used glyphs once on a book title, for the capital letters on two words. The only way I got it done was to create the letters in InDesign, export them as a JPG, with max quality, 300PPI, RGB, then drag them into PSE, where I used the Magic Wand to select them, then inverse, copy and paste them into a new layer and save as PSD. The letters still had some of the JPG background inside the enclosed spaces in an A and B, for example, but selecting and deleting was easy.
Today I began looking for ways to do this within PSE and found a tutorial that shows how to access the Font Book on a Mac, select View>Repertoire, which supposedly gives me access to Fonts coded to work with "Private Areas" (whatever that means, and I'm not about to ask), find the glyph I want, then copy and paste it into a document in PSE.
I tried it with Baskerville Regular and it worked as advertised. But when I tried it with Appleton Regular, the paste action results in a boxed X and the font is shown as Myriad Pro Regular.
I've tried multiple times to get it to work and it won't. I can type the title in Appleton Regular in PSE, but it won't let me paste an Appleton Regular glyph into the document to use in place of the regular styled capital letter.
Any ideas about what might be wrong?
Tosh
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 25, 2016 2:54:48 GMT
I tried it with Baskerville Regular and it worked as advertised. But when I tried it with Appleton Regular, the paste action results in a boxed X and the font is shown as Myriad Pro Regular. I've tried multiple times to get it to work and it won't. I can type the title in Appleton Regular in PSE, but it won't let me paste an Appleton Regular glyph into the document to use in place of the regular styled capital letter. Tosh,
I am not sure this is the root of the problem but, as you said you are doing a copy/paste job, I will take a shot in the dark.
The text copy/paste technique has some limitations. Another program’s font won’t copy into Elements; it will paste itself as the last font you used in Elements. I did some testing. I wrote some text in Word using Tahoma (10 pt). When I copied/pasted the text into the text box in Elements, it pasted as Impact (30 pt), the font I had last used.
Copying Text into Photoshop Elements with the Type Tool
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Post by tangomike on Jun 25, 2016 5:31:46 GMT
Thanks, Sepiana.
The tutorial shows doing it as I described using Elements. I can paste the link here for you to take a look if you're interested, but I don't want to violate any posting guidelines. Would that be okay?
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 25, 2016 5:36:51 GMT
Hi Tosh,
Yes. It will be OK. Just post the link to the tutorial and I will take a look at it.
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Post by tangomike on Jun 25, 2016 11:46:33 GMT
Sepiana, Here is is: angiemakes.com/secret-to-add-swashes-extras-to-your-fonts-meet-the-private-use-area-for-fonts/The steps worked fine as described with the first letter, which the tutorial says can be used to transfer any character from the Font Book on a Mac into PSE. The second letter is the standard capital B in Appleton Regular, which I typed in using PSE. The boxed X is what happened when I tried to copy/paste a glyph from Appleton Regular in the Font Book into PSE. What may be happening, and I'm checking it out this morning, is that there's a problem with compatibility of the font installed in PSE and the one in the Font Book. I don't know if that can happen, but when I copied the Appleton Regular glyph in the Font Book and tried to paste it into Word, I got this: � Appleton. After the diamond question mark, when I typed in "Appleton" it looks nothing like the Appleton Regular that's available in PSE. That's when I noticed that the font as shown in Word's font window doesn't have the word "Regular" with it, and yet the font in the Font Book is listed as Appleton Regular, and the glyphs are available there as shown in the 2nd image below. This may not be a PSE problem at all, and solving it may not be of interest to forum members. But the trick about gaining access to glyphs by choosing View > Repertoire in the Font Book does work, and as the tutorial mentions, it's a cool feature that forum members might be able to use. Tosh   |
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 25, 2016 15:14:43 GMT
Tosh, Thanks for the link! Let's see what I can figure out. I am not a Mac user though. Hopefully a Mac user will shed some light on this issue. What may be happening, and I'm checking it out this morning, is that there's a problem with compatibility of the font installed in PSE and the one in the Font Book. I don't know if that can happen, but when I copied the Appleton Regular glyph in the Font Book and tried to paste it into Word, I got this: � Appleton. Just some clarification . . .
Unless things are different on the Mac side, fonts do not get installed in Elements (or Photoshop for that matter). These programs will access the fonts which come with your Windows OS as well as the third-party fonts which you permanently install in the Windows Fonts folder or which you temporarily install by using a Font Manager/Viewer.
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 26, 2016 1:32:39 GMT
What may be happening, and I'm checking it out this morning, is that there's a problem with compatibility of the font installed in PSE and the one in the Font Book. I don't know if that can happen, but when I copied the Appleton Regular glyph in the Font Book and tried to paste it into Word, I got this: � Appleton. Tosh,
Did by any chance this Appleton Regular font is an .otf font? If so, this thread in the Adobe Photoshop Elements forum may explain the problem you are having. It looks like glyphs in these fonts are available only if you are using In Design or Photoshop but not Elements.
forums.adobe.com/thread/1135495
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Post by Sydney on Jun 26, 2016 5:39:13 GMT
Tosh, this is just a shot in the dark, but have your tried clearing your cache?
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Post by tangomike on Jun 26, 2016 12:37:39 GMT
Sydney: No, I haven't and it appears that Sepiana has ferreted out the culprit. Sepiana: Before I saw your suggestion about the type of font being the issue, I researched the problems with the Font Book in El Capitan and quickly discovered that: 1) my brain was becoming overloaded; 2) I didn't know much of anything about the difference between types of fonts; 3) I misunderstood how various applications access fonts; and 4) I've got more to learn. The key explanation for why Appleton glyphs don't paste into Elements it that it's an .otf. The glyph that worked is a .ttf. I'm still baffled by the fact that Word can't display Appleton, which results in this:  But that's not the issue for this forum, and you have cleared up the mystery for me. To use glyphs in book titles using any .otf font, I'll create them in InDesign and export them for use in PSE, where to use it as a layer I have to extract the glyph from the .jpg background. But once that's done, I can size and position the glyph in relation to the other Appleton letters typed in directly from PSE, group or merge the layers as a unit, and the end result is the ability to use any font with glyphs without having to reject those that happen to be .otf. Once again, Sepiana rides to the rescue. I am so grateful for your expertise and the willingness to share it. Tosh |
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 26, 2016 18:12:17 GMT
Tosh,
Great news indeed! You made my day. Now we can say -- Culprit identified! Workaround available! Case closed!
Thanks for the nice words! You are very kind. I am the one should be thanking you for starting this thread; it taught me something new. Living and learning!
Case not quite yet closed though; we still have the problem with that font and Word.
As I am not a Mac user, I sent an SOS to Helen (hmca), an expert Mac user. She raised the possibility it could be an incompatibility issue. So, she took her troubleshooting into that direction and I followed suit. Helen hit the nail on the head. (Thanks, Helen!) The document below may shed some light on this issue.
Using Opentype fonts in Microsoft Word
Helen also shared this information with me. I thought you would like to read it.
Font Management in OS X
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Post by tangomike on Jun 27, 2016 4:07:07 GMT
Sepiana, You really are amazing. Now you can add Font Forensic Specialist to your résumé. Haven't read the Font Management article yet, but I will. I followed the steps in the opentype article, and the screenshot below shows how it came out with Appleton Font. The Preview window is what I expect, but when typed in Word it's completely different. I wonder if Helen has any further ideas about what could be causing it? Tosh  |
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 27, 2016 4:20:20 GMT
Tosh,
You are very kind! I will share the credit with Helen. She was the one who first brought up the issue of font incompatibility and Word.
I will bring your request to Helen's attention.
BTW, would it be OK for you tell us where you got this "problematic" Appleton font? It would help with the troubleshooting.
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Post by tangomike on Jun 27, 2016 11:31:34 GMT
Tosh,
You are very kind! I will share the credit with Helen. She was the one who first brought up the issue of font incompatibility and Word.
I will bring your request to Helen's attention.
BTW, would it be OK for you tell us where you got this "problematic" Appleton font? It would help with the troubleshooting.
Sepiana, It's been awhile, but I know it wasn't a free download. I needed it to work on a book cover for a friend who had contracted with another person to do a poster for a book fair and I wanted to retain the look of the title and I didn't have the font. I'm tempted to buy it again, but the bottom line is that I have a workaround that allows me to add the glyphs in a PSE document and at the moment I don't really need to use it in Word. But I love the retro fonts, and that may change, which motivated me to ask the question in the first place. Tosh |
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 27, 2016 15:43:33 GMT
It's been awhile, but I know it wasn't a free download. I needed it to work on a book cover for a friend who had contracted with another person to do a poster for a book fair and I wanted to retain the look of the title and I didn't have the font. I'm tempted to buy it again, but the bottom line is that I have a workaround that allows me to add the glyphs in a PSE document and at the moment I don't really need to use it in Word. But I love the retro fonts, and that may change, which motivated me to ask the question in the first place. Tosh Tosh, thanks for posting back!
If your workaround is doing the job and you don't need to use that font in Word, then, you will be OK. Success with your book projects!
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