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Post by BuckSkin on Aug 16, 2016 1:09:55 GMT
After our recent discussion concerning the organizer, in the various links provided, I kept seeing reference to a command in the "File" menu of the organizer:
"Write keyword tag and properties info to photos"
Maybe I have been missing something, but I thought that the properties info was there from the camera; and, I also thought that, once I put a tag on something in the organizer that it became a part of that file from that point hence.
What am I missing ?
Thanks for reading.
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Post by michelb on Aug 16, 2016 6:38:52 GMT
You are right that a lot of properties do come from, and are stored in the file by your camera. Your personal organization input: keywords, captions, ratings, albums, creations are NOT written by default to the files themselves. They are stored in the catalogs. Working with catalogs (adding, modifying, searching) is so much quicker than rewritting the files themselves! That's why writing the metadata to the files is only optional. There are special keywording situations in which I have to add a temporary tag to nearly all the files in my library (>450 GB). That will take hours to write to files, seconds to add and remove in a catalog. Since that takes time, you can choose the best moment to 'write metadata to files'; it's a good idea to do this just after importing and editing a batch, just before a backup or a 'Sync'. With big libraries, you need backups which require hours. I don't do a backup after each editing session, only periodically, at night. After each significant session I use the Windows 'Synctoy' to sync my library to another external drive. A matter of minutes only. That way, after a few hours of editing, I select the imported batch (very useful sort order in the organizer), write metadata to files (a matter of seconds) then launch the 'Syncing' and take a coffee...
Tips: - you can either change the IPTC part of the metadata on your files from the editor or from the organizer; - writing metadata to files only adds keywords, does not replace. The trick is to 'wipe' those IPTC data from the Properties panel of the organizer before writing the changed ones; - The 'Save for Web option' deletes most of the metadata to get smaller file sizes.
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Post by BuckSkin on Aug 16, 2016 19:10:12 GMT
Thank you, michelb.
So, if I understand correctly, whatever tagging I do in the organizer only relates to that file while it is in the organizer/catalog and that is why when I look at the file's properties the tags don't show up, right? (Windows properties, not the organizers)
Captions must behave differently, as E7 (as best I can tell) puts the non-captioned file in the recycle bin and replaces it with the captioned file; I can see my captions in properties, even when that file has been copied from a different computer.
I can see from your thorough answer to my question that I need to run some of my guinea-pig images through the organizer/catalog and see what happens.
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Post by michelb on Aug 17, 2016 6:33:05 GMT
Captions must behave differently, as E7 (as best I can tell) puts the non-captioned file in the recycle bin and replaces it with the captioned file; I can see my captions in properties, even when that file has been copied from a different computer. I have not tested the captions methodically in various versions. The process may have changed. Today, my advice is to consider them like keywords and to use the 'save metadata to files' command to be sure they are recorded in the metadata section of the file.
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Post by BuckSkin on Sept 21, 2016 4:40:36 GMT
Is this "write metadata to files" a jpeg only thing, or does it apply to other file types as well, such as PSD, TIFF, etc. Thanks. On EDIT : I just got my own question answered. I attempted to write the metadata to a jpeg that had gotten disconnected from the organizer and got a message box that said something to the effect of "key-word tags and properties can only be written to jpeg, PSD, TIFF, and camera RAW files" The reason that silly jpeg had gotten disconnected is that, when I typed something in the comment box, the file got that stupid _ed-TMP(1) suffix added to the file name; thus, so far as the organizer was concerned, it was an entirely different file. We had a big discussion about this some time ago and I don't think a solution to prevent this was discovered. EDIT again : Here is the _ed-TMP(1) discussion : photoshopelementsandmore.com/thread/2727/mysterious-suffix-added-files
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