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Post by splashinfashion on Nov 26, 2016 16:16:12 GMT
I've read pros & cons of Elements 15 on Amazon and wondered what you think the best version of Elements is.
I bought Photoshop/Premiere Elements 10 when it came out and liked it. Next year bought ver. 11 and didn't like it and stayed with 10. Now with a new PC I was wondering if reloading Elements 10 or taking advantage of Black Friday's bargains on a new version. One thing I didn't like in Premiere Elements 11 was that to add transitions I had to click several times to add to each split (couldn't keep transitions available on screen), with 10 it was always available in a window.
What's your favorite version?
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Post by Tpgettys on Nov 26, 2016 17:54:58 GMT
In taking a quick look at the "cons" in the reviews on Amazon, it seemed to me that mostly it was the fact that there are some changes in the user-interface that upset some people. Make no mistake, I am annoyed by such changes as well, but I recognize that it is mostly because I just don't like change. However, I have found that such changes become the new normal in short order. Each version is more powerful than the last; I couldn't imagine going back to an earlier version!
Caveat: there have been some very substantial changes since versions 10 & 11, perhaps the most significant is the transition to a 64-bit architecture. This means that any plugins you use will have to be updated.
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 26, 2016 19:02:05 GMT
Hi splashinfashion, welcome to PSE&M! That’s a hard question to answer. One’s favorite version of Elements may not be someone else’s. I don’t believe it is a matter of which Elements version is the best one but which version best meets your needs and interests. If you didn’t like Elements 11, you may not like Elements 15 either. In Elements 11 Adobe did a major overhaul of this program. Except for a big change in Elements 12 in which Adobe removed several features, the changes in the features/tools in Elements 13, 14, and 15 are not that many. Basically they consisted of adding new features/tools (some brought over from Photoshop) and enhancing some of the old ones. My recommendation is . . . - As you like Elements 10, install it on your new computer. - Install Elements 11 and give it another chance. Doing the above is really important if you were a user of any one of the features which were removed from Elements 12. Some of these features can be placed back in this version but not in Elements 13, 14, and 15. What features from previous versions are not available in Adobe Photoshop Elements 12? - Download the free trial of Elements 15 (30-day) and test the waters. In this way you will be able to make an informed decision, one based on your needs and interests. You may also want to check this thread to get an idea of what Elements 15 offers. (There is a link to a chart comparing various versions of Elements, which you may find helpful). Photoshop Elements 15 -- ResourcesAs to Premiere Elements . . . We don’t have a board devoted to Premiere Elements We usually recommend that questions/inquiries about this program be posted on the Adobe Premiere Elements forum where you can get timely and expert advice from this program's gurus -- Steve Grisetti and Co.
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 26, 2016 19:41:26 GMT
Caveat: there have been some very substantial changes since versions 10 & 11, perhaps the most significant is the transition to a 64-bit architecture. This means that any plugins you use will have to be updated. Some plug-ins cannot be updated because they don't come in a 64-bit version. The solution is to keep a 32-bit version of Elements installed so you can use those plug-ins. Some plug-ins do not need to be updated. As a rule of thumb, the .exe files for such plug-ins are designed to install both the 32- and the 64-bit version. The installer will find the 64-bit hosting application and will install the appropriate version of the plug-in. Just run the installer!
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Post by Paul Whiting on Dec 29, 2016 14:11:09 GMT
Sepiana,
From an earlier post of yours,
If it's not too much trouble, could you briefly mention which features were removed in version 12 (and later)? Simply the ones that first come to mind...
I bought 13 a couple of years ago, but 11 came free with a new Epson printer I bought... that's apparently the year some big changes were made. I'm not interested in all the whiz-bang "features" but I wonder which are the substantive changes. I used 9 for many years... but I really like that 13's Organizer has the option to list files alphabetically - makes them so much easier to find, as opposed to "newest" or "oldest".
Thanks... and Happy New Year!
Paul
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Post by Major Major on Dec 29, 2016 16:25:54 GMT
If it's not too much trouble, could you briefly mention which features were removed in version 12 (and later)? Simply the ones that first come to mind... See the link Sepiana provided in the post above.
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Post by Paul Whiting on Dec 29, 2016 17:01:16 GMT
Major Major:
Sheesh... sorry, is my face red!
Paul
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 29, 2016 17:08:49 GMT
Sepiana, If it's not too much trouble, could you briefly mention which features were removed in version 12 (and later)? Simply the ones that first come to mind... Thanks... and Happy New Year! Paul
Hi Paul, it is no trouble at all! And Happy New Year to you too!
Elements 12:
forums.adobe.com/thread/1302663?tstart=0 In more recent versions of Elements Adobe didn’t remove too many features.
Elements 13:
- You cannot scan directly into Elements using the TWAIN plug-in (if you have a 64-bit version of Windows). - You cannot use Photo Mail (in any Windows version). - The Slide Show Editor was replaced with a new slideshow feature, which is much easier to use but doesn’t give you as much control over the final product. - Some file formats are no longer supported and the corresponding files won’t be imported into the new catalog. For a list of the file formats currently supported . . .
helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/kb/supported-file-formats-photoshop-elements.html Elements 14:
Adobe recoded Elements and abandoned all Flash coding.
NOTE: Adobe may have removed other features. I am not sure. But, if they did, they were minor ones.
Elements 15:
I am not aware Adobe removed any features. I am still checking though.
EDIT: If I find more "feature removals", I will post back in this thread.
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Post by BuckSkin on Dec 29, 2016 17:21:21 GMT
We currently have two versions, Elements 7 and Elements 12.
I wish Adobe would leave the format alone and just repair and improve upon the earlier versions.
Both my wife and myself very much prefer E7 over E12; we enjoy the screen layout and coloring of E7 and despise that of E12, which we find to be very inconvenient to perform the same tasks.
There are a few features that E12 does have that I wish could be added to E7, listed below:
1. Load/install actions by pushing buttons in the full-edit window
2. Access and employ actions in the full-edit window
3. Ability to communicate with other compatible editing programs as if they were plug-ins
4. "Content aware" feature with the healing brush
5. Very useful "refine selection" feature that really improves extracting hair and such from backgrounds
6. RAW editor compatible with more recent camera models
There are at least as many E7 features missing from E12; one that really stands out is the absence of the "magic extractor"
The organizer of E7 is way better than E12; however, one big annoyance of the E7 (and previous) organizer is that it changes the "date/time taken" stamp in the exif data; plus, when writing tags and captions to the exif data, Elements completely replaces the image file, filling the recycle bin with the originals, renaming files and corrupting data while doing so; I have not yet investigated as to whether these faults have been corrected in E12.
The above mentioned problems with the organizer led me to investigate and employ three other FREE image organizing programs that do not have those issues; Digikam, XNView, and Picajet; it is hard for me to name a favorite between the three; I lean heavily toward Digikam, but there are features unique to each of the other two that keep them on my task-bar.
The FREE program FastStone is hardly ever closed on either of our computers and we do all of our initial image viewing and sorting/culling in FastStone; choose an image, or a whole group of images, click "E", and they magically appear in the Elements editor window, much quicker than sending them there from Elements own organizer.
In light of our own experiences, if we had to make a choice between versions, Elements 7 would definitely be our pick; add Elements + and it becomes a very powerful program.
Thanks for reading.
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 29, 2016 17:49:18 GMT
There are a few features that E12 does have that I wish could be added to E7, listed below: 3. Ability to communicate with other compatible editing programs as if they were plug-ins
Unless I am misunderstanding this statement, as far as I know, no version of Elements has this ability (and no version of Photoshop for that matter either). For Elements to "communicate" with other editing programs as plug-ins, these programs have to offer a plug-in version (.8bf files, .plugin files on a Mac). They cannot be just standalone versions.
NOTE: An exception would be Adobe Lightroom, a standalone program, which by design can "communicate" with Elements as well as Photoshop.
This seems to be another exception. I am not familiar with this program but it looks like it is designed to "communicate" with Elements. It may be more a credit to this program than to Elements itself.
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Post by Lillias on Dec 29, 2016 19:09:00 GMT
The FREE program FastStone is hardly ever closed on either of our computers and we do all of our initial image viewing and sorting/culling in FastStone; choose an image, or a whole group of images, click "E", and they magically appear in the Elements editor window, much quicker than sending them there from Elements own organizer. I have the Faststone Viewer but I haven’t really investigated all it can do, indeed I hardly ever use it. I didn’t realise that you could associate it with PSE. Until now I have just used Windows Explorer or File Explorer as it’s now known in Windows 10 to view my photos but I must try out Faststone instead especially now I know that I can take a photo from there straight into PSE. Thanks for mentioning that Buckskin.
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Post by Paul Whiting on Dec 29, 2016 19:17:31 GMT
Amen to FastStone... I use it all the time. As was mentioned, it's very handy for organizing and moving files around (I still use Organizer though). Very slick program for batch renames and making contact sheets. Can email directly from the program, with easy options for convenient email sizes. And it links very easily to Elements, even to more than one version of Elements. My one beef is that sometimes other apps do not recognize the resizing.
Paul
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 29, 2016 19:39:25 GMT
Until now I have just used Windows Explorer or File Explorer as it’s now known in Windows 10 to view my photos but I must try out Faststone instead especially now I know that I can take a photo from there straight into PSE. Maybe I am misunderstanding this statement too. I also use Windows/File Explorer to view my photos but I can take a photo from there straight into Elements (as well as Photoshop) by just using the Open With command. They will open straight in the Editor and in the Raw Converter if they are Raw files. The only drawback is that I cannot use this command if I want to send multiple files at once.
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Post by Lillias on Dec 29, 2016 20:25:42 GMT
Maybe I am misunderstanding this statement too. I also use Windows/File Explorer to view my photos but I can take a photo from there straight into Elements (as well as Photoshop) by just using the Open With command. They will open straight in the Editor and in the Raw Converter if they are Raw files. The only drawback is that I cannot use this command if I want to send multiple files at once. No you are not misunderstanding Sepiana, it’s me that hasn’t expressed myself properly. It’s the ability to take a group of images all at once into PSE that attracted my attention to Faststone as I can’t do this in Windows/ File Explorer as you have so rightly pointed out.
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Post by michelb on Dec 29, 2016 21:14:40 GMT
Maybe I am misunderstanding this statement too. I also use Windows/File Explorer to view my photos but I can take a photo from there straight into Elements (as well as Photoshop) by just using the Open With command. They will open straight in the Editor and in the Raw Converter if they are Raw files. The only drawback is that I cannot use this command if I want to send multiple files at once. No you are not misunderstanding Sepiana, it’s me that hasn’t expressed myself properly. It’s the ability to take a group of images all at once into PSE that attracted my attention to Faststone as I can’t do this in Windows/ File Explorer as you have so rightly pointed out. I do like Faststone, but not for that reason. I NEVER use the explorer directly, so it's not a problem for me. I do use the Organizer, which is a starting point just like using Faststone or Bridge for browsing. From the organizer I can open a batch of any kind of files, jpegs or raws at the same time in the editor. Only the Organizer can show the thumbnails with the edits already applied and offer the advantage of stacks and version sets. The only complaint I have is that Adobe does not provide a way to open jpegs in ACR from the organizer (John R Ellis provided a software to do that for up to Elements 8). The nice thing is that with PSE15 with a very basic hardware (however, 8 GB RAM)I can use the command 'Open in ACR' directly from the editor, skipping the Organizer. I can open up to 50 files, raw or jpeg at the same time, and process all, assigning either common edits to all files or some only, or individual edits to particular photos, and save all with a single select all plus clicking 'Done'. That's something using 64 bits versions can do, not older versions. About versions comparisons: - Elements 14 had serious problems with Photomerge and the new 'Guided edit'. - Elements 15 has removed support for 32 bits Windows versions. The organizer was deprived of the support of PDF files (a former advantage over Lightroom). On the other hand, the organizer has got some impressive changes like new quick edits in the organizer for a batch of files at the same time, new intuitive and advanced search tool interface, support for touch screens and various speed improvements. Frequent complaints deal about face recognition (a wasteful gadget slowing down even the most powerful computers) and bugs in Windows when you want to auto-hide the taskbar I regret the PDF support in the organizer 15, but as a whole, I would never go back to any previous versions. The improved speed alone is worth the upgrade.
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