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Post by michelb on Dec 12, 2016 14:48:20 GMT
I have just posted a complaint in the Adobe feedback forum about a very little known feature of the 'Find' menu'. feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/organizer-find-by-details-folders-criteria" Recent versions of Elements have added the 'Folder Name' criteria in the 'Find by details (metadata) menu. This is a wonderful addition, especially for people migrating from a folder tree organization to a keyword and category catalog one. Very few users find the option (the last criteria in the dropdown list...); that's a pity. For instance, if you are using the downloader option to create subfolders based on date, YYYY MM DD for me, it's easy to find all items from a given year and month, or a given day of year, such as Christmas or a Birthday; you get the result very quickly even if your files are on many different subfolders. The problem is that you can't mix this criteria with any other one (rating, for instance) without having the organizer freezing and having to stop it from the task bar. The workaround is to use that option alone and to create a temporary keyword which can be used mixed with other criteria. I would find it logical to move the option to the main 'Find' menu, where there it is not supposed to be mixed with other criteria and where it would be noticed by many more users. That is, unless it's possible to fix what I do consider as a bug. " I hope something will be done, but I think this feature should be better known; even with its present limitation, it's a very powerful tool. Just try it!
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Post by don26812 on Jan 24, 2017 1:23:44 GMT
Michel, I guess I did not understand your question, because I was able to display all of the files in a given folder without making any temporary keyword tags. I first found the pictures in a selected folder, and then with only them displayed, clicked on the desired Atar Rating in the upper right corner to only display those images with that Star Rating in the grid.
What did I miss?
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Post by don26812 on Jan 24, 2017 1:31:42 GMT
For some reason I type "Star Rating" and it is displayed "Atar Rating". Hopefully that won't be confusing.
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Post by michelb on Jan 24, 2017 8:31:33 GMT
Michel, I guess I did not understand your question, because I was able to display all of the files in a given folder without making any temporary keyword tags. I first found the pictures in a selected folder, and then with only them displayed, clicked on the desired Atar Rating in the upper right corner to only display those images with that Star Rating in the grid. What did I miss? The option to search by 'Folder name' in the 'Find by details' menu is wonderful, as I said, but the problem is that the 'Find by details' option is the tool to combine several criteria, for instance files in a given subfolder AND in a specific time lapse AND from a given camera model AND with a given keyword. If you use the 'Folder name' criteria only, no problem but with combined criteria as above, your search will freeze your computer. The workaround given by the Adobe staff to use the new advanced search button works better, my advice is to take the time to test it to find how easy and powerful it is. Technically my suggestion is: - to implement the sql query for that command in a better way - or to locate that option in the global search menu where the criteria is used alone, not mixed with other ones.
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Post by don26812 on Jan 25, 2017 16:18:54 GMT
I think I understand better now. You are referring to a much more complex query than the example you gave in your original post.
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Post by Fauxtoto on Feb 2, 2017 3:45:11 GMT
Hi Michel,
My folders are named by date in the “yyyy mm dd” format. As for the pictures, I usually keep the name attributed by the camera, in the “img_n” format. I have more than 5 000 pictures. As a consequence, keywords and various search possibilities are crucial for me.
I use PSE 14 and also find that it does offer powerful and useful search possibilities, under the “Find” menu Item. Thank you for mentioning more specifically the “Folder Name” criteria in the “Find by details (metadata)” option. I was among the users who had not realized it was there.
I did experiment with it and, contrary to you, I did succeed in mixing the “Folder Name” criteria with another criteria. I chose “All the following search criteria [AND]” operator. Then I did the following:
Line 1: “Folder Name” “Starts with” “2008 07”.
Line 2: “People” “include” “Jo” (my lovely wife).
I had 12 folders from different days in July 2008 for a total of about 200 pictures. The result extracted all the pictures that were taken within that period and containing the “People” tag “Jo”. I must admit that although I have a relatively recent computer, it took a while before the result came in (about 15 seconds). It was a lot faster (almost instantaneous) when I did the following:
Line 1: “Capture time” “is before” “2008-08-01”
Line 2: “Capture time” “is after” “2008-06-30”
Line 3: “People” “include” “Jo”
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Post by michelb on Feb 2, 2017 8:47:57 GMT
I just got answer from Adobe staff this morning: feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/organizer-find-by-details-folders-criteriaI can assure you that in my case, every attempt to mix the criteria by folder name with another kind of criteria has aborted. The important thing is to find the best tool, and I use both. I have the same folder tree date hierarchy as yours (automatically created by the downloader), and I find that very useful. I also believe that another feature of the organizer is totally neglected by most users. It's the possibility to show the folder list alphabetically. It's only a list of the last level subfolders, but it may be useful to spot duplicate folder names, which may help to find batches of duplicate files...
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Post by Fauxtoto on Feb 3, 2017 0:10:08 GMT
Michel,
I have absolutely no doubt that you tried everything possible :-).
I should have mentioned that I also tried with the operator [OR], instead of [AND], with these same two lines:
Line 1: “Folder Name” “Starts with” “2008 07”.
Line 2: “People” “include” “Jo” (my lovely wife).
After a while it was still working on something, but no result was coming out. Finally, I just closed Elements to stop the process.
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