arabma
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Post by arabma on May 24, 2015 14:23:06 GMT
Hello! First of all thank you for opening this forum! I need some step by step help in what to do with old and new photos to get them edited ,organized and saved . I don't know how to save or edit the originals .What do I save them to? Also looking into a new desk top any ideas? would like to run a few editing software programs for photos and music. Thanks for your help arabma
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 15:44:13 GMT
Hi arabma welcome to the forum. It is a good idea to add what operating system and program you are using it might be easier for forum members to give you a hand. If you do not have a program yet photoshop elements 13 would be one program you can use. This is one that many members here use.
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arabma
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Post by arabma on May 24, 2015 16:30:53 GMT
Currently XP and pse7. Should I start by scanning the photos into pse?
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Post by Tpgettys on May 24, 2015 16:49:00 GMT
Currently XP and pse7. Should I start by scanning the photos into pse? Hi, and welcome! I now understand that by old photos you meant actual paper pictures, not digital ones. So, yes, scanning them to turn them into digital images is a great start. Once they are in your computer you can organize them using the Elements Organizer, and of course you can use the Elements editor to clean them up (remove dust, nicks, color-cast, etc). Let us know how it is going.
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Post by BuckSkin on May 24, 2015 16:50:56 GMT
Currently XP and pse7. Should I start by scanning the photos into pse? I, too, have PSE-7 and it is capable of doing most everything I need.
As for scanning the photos, a lot of how you go about it depends on your scanner capabilities.
I have Windows 7 and prefer to first scan my photos into a folder and then load them into Elements from that folder.
I have scanned several straight into Elements and that works okay as well.
I suggest setting scanner resolution to 600 DPI (dots per inch; so far as I can figure, DPI is the same as PPI)
If your scanner is capable, I also suggest scanning in as Photoshop PSD files; if PSD is not available, then use TIFF.
Before we knew any better, my wife (and myself) have scanned in hundreds upon hundreds as jpegs and, to my untrained eye, I see little difference in the finished product.
I believe capturing plenty of DPI is the most important factor.
Of course, insuring a CLEAN scanner and CLEAN dust- and lint-free photos is most important; whatever dirt may be on the prints or scanner transfer right onto the digital images.
Much smarter people than me will have better information.
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Post by Tpgettys on May 24, 2015 17:03:01 GMT
Currently XP and pse7. Should I start by scanning the photos into pse? I suggest setting scanner resolution to 600 DPI (dots per inch; so far as I can figure, DPI is the same as PPI)
If your scanner is capable, I also suggest scanning in as Photoshop PSD files; if PSD is not available, then use TIFF.
Of course, insuring a CLEAN scanner and CLEAN dust- and lint-free photos is most important; whatever dirt may be on the prints or scanner transfer right onto the digital images.
All good points BuckSkin. Be sure to buy some compressed gas to blow off dust from the photos and scanner window. I have seen a can of air sold in the computer accessories department costing upwards of $16, but the same can in the hardware department is about $5, so be sure to shop!
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arabma
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Post by arabma on May 24, 2015 17:30:44 GMT
Thanks everyone! As far as file types should I save the original as a jpeg? after I make a copy and fix what should I save that as? How would I save them all for the future cds or some other way? Any suggestions on a desk top?
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Post by BuckSkin on May 24, 2015 18:40:40 GMT
Thanks everyone! As far as file types should I save the original as a jpeg? after I make a copy and fix what should I save that as? How would I save them all for the future cds or some other way? Any suggestions on a desk top?
Myself, I usually save each version of a file, original and any edits, in BOTH PSD and jpeg.
I like to have a jpeg copy for quick viewing, e-mailing, web-sharing, DVD slide-show movies, and such.
I like the PSD files because they can be opened and saved over and over with no loss of quality; however, you can't do many things with a PSD that can be done with a jpeg.
Also, PSD files are capable of saving layers --- so long as the layers don't get flattened; if I want to save the layers, but also need a flattened file, I flatten a duplicate and add a suffix to it's file name.
As for which desktop, all I know is that you want one that has plenty of memory, plenty of RAM, and whatever it takes to make it race-horse quick to respond; I like to study reviews on such things at Amazon and similar sites.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 21:53:26 GMT
NO, DPI is not the same as PPI although many people and some applications get them confused.
They are 2 totally different things.
PPi (pixels per inch) is meaningless when viewing images on a screen and is used solely to size an image for printing. A general rule of thumb is you need 300 PPI to make a good quality print - eg. for a 6in x 4in print you need an image at least 1800px x 1200px.
DPI (dots per inch) is what printers use to print an image at the set printer resolution (dpi). Eg. If you send a 300 PPI image to a printer set at, say, 1440 DPI then essentially the printer driver takes 300px of RGB data and converts it to 1440 dots of printer data (how much of each coloured ink to lay down on the paper) to make 1in of print.
Regarding what PPI to set your scanner at, that depends on what you want to do with the scanned images. If you are only ever going to view them on a computer screen then 200 PPI should be more than enough. Larger PPI settings will only create larger files that take up more real estate on your hard disk drive.
If you plan to make prints at the same size as the original paper print, then 300 PPI is all you need to set the scanner at.
If you want to make print enlargements of your original photos then the PPI you set your scanner at depends on the size of the enlargement. Eg. If your original paper photo is 6in x 4in and you want to make a 12in x 8in print then you need to set your scanner to 600 PPI so that you will have 300 PPI available for a 12in x 8in print.
If you can, invest in a good quality scanner. It will make a big difference to the quality of the scanned image and you should spend less time adjusting colours etc of the scanned image in an editor.
I would recommend storing your scanned images in an uncompressed format - PSD if using Photoshop Elements or TIFF. The down side of storing jpegs is that even if you set compression to minimum, every time you save a jpg file after opening it, you compress it that little bit more and lose a bit more image quality every single time.
PSD are larger files but much better for editing and storing images than jpegs.
Scan the images as jpegs at an appropriate PPI, edit them if necessary and if using Photoshop Elements save them as PSD files (uncompressed). The Elements Organiser displays thumbnails of the images in your catalogue whether they are PSD or jpeg. The PSD file can be your master copy of the image. You can always export a copy of it as a jpeg from the Organiser to a folder for emailing, uploading to online somewhere or whatever. If you keep a PSD and jpeg copy of an image, the jpeg copy is in reality redundant because you can always make a jpeg copy from the master PSD file.
Hope this helps
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arabma
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Post by arabma on May 25, 2015 16:48:37 GMT
Thanks BuckSkin and davep9
still want to know how to save photos off the computer for many years down the road. I have so many photos from my dad paper and slides and want to fix and keep them for my children.
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Post by Major Major on May 25, 2015 16:59:48 GMT
Arabna -
It's impossible to know what storage media will be in use many years from now. The best you can hope to do is store them safely now, and possibly transfer them to a newer medium in the future. For now, CD-Roms and DVDs are good choices.
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Post by Sepiana on May 25, 2015 17:02:51 GMT
You could also check into using a couple of external HD drives to store your photos.
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Post by Madame on May 25, 2015 17:23:42 GMT
I'm convinced that paper copies will be used in the future as well as now. No need for technology.
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Post by Major Major on May 25, 2015 17:30:29 GMT
Sure, but paper copies fade, and external hard drives (all hard drives) fail at some point. .
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 17:39:46 GMT
And CD/DVDs are prone to creep and eventually fail unless you use archival quality media.
My own preference is for Hard Drives, especially since I have two - one for working and the other as backup. It's unlikely both will fail at the same time and if doing a regular backup you can check when problems occur.
Guess this also suggests that the Cloud as a backup is a good choice although I have too many Terrabytes to make it feasible to upload.
Colin
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