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Post by BuckSkin on May 21, 2018 20:27:48 GMT
I have no less than five panorama stitching programs and often I have to resort to making my panoramas manually.
I have best results with Canon PhotoStitch that came on the software disk that was included with our cameras, but even it failed me a few days ago.
I took a series of seven overlapping shots of the lake side of a dam.
The dam had only a single stand-pipe.
No matter which program I used, nor how I went about it, the result always ended up with two stand-pipes; I even tried it by not loading all of the images at once, merging two, then the next, and the next, and so on, yet I still ended up with two stand-pipes.
I ended up doing it manually; I find that I usually get better results that way anyways.
Actually, to my own eye, I don't much like panoramas anyway = much too long and narrow; I have sometimes oriented the camera vertically; and, often I make the canvas taller to add more sky; but still, a panorama just doesn't really do anything for me.
I did see one someone did of the entire 4th Street RxR Bridge in Louisville that would have been near impossible to have captured even with the widest angle lens.
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Post by Major Major on May 21, 2018 22:49:57 GMT
I dunno, folks - I've been getting very good results in ON1 Photo Raw 2018.
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Post by Bailey on May 22, 2018 0:59:30 GMT
Hi Buckskin, ..... I took a series of seven overlapping shots of the lake side of a dam. The dam had only a single stand-pipe. No matter which program I used, nor how I went about it, the result always ended up with two stand-pipes; I even tried it by not loading all of the images at once, merging two, then the next, and the next, and so on, yet I still ended up with two stand-pipes. I ended up doing it manually; I find that I usually get better results that way anyways. ... This is very interesting. Earlier this thread I posted 3 things that should be done (Point 1 was a must do) in order to maximise the chances of a good stitching job by any reputable stitching application. I find it puzzling as to what could be in the scenes to cause all your stitching programs to output 2 standpipes when there was only 1 in the scene. This is totally your call, but if it is ok with you, could you please post the individual photos (doesn't have to be hires) and I will be happy to see if PSE has any problems stitching them together. The panoramas I posted earlier in this thread are examples of the 99.9% of times PSE does an excellent job for me.
... Actually, to my own eye, I don't much like panoramas anyway = much too long and narrow; I have sometimes oriented the camera vertically; and, often I make the canvas taller to add more sky; but still, a panorama just doesn't really do anything for me. .... With extremely high aspect ratios (length:height) I tend to agree somewhat when viewing panoramas on a small screen. Fwiw, I always shoot the individual photos to be stitched in portrait orientation so I can get the maximum resolution in the final merge. But my reason to maximise the resolution is to get the best possible print if I end up printing the panorama. Typically, my panorama prints are around 1 metre in length, give or take a bit. |
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Post by Sepiana on May 22, 2018 1:31:37 GMT
I took a series of seven overlapping shots of the lake side of a dam. The dam had only a single stand-pipe. No matter which program I used, nor how I went about it, the result always ended up with two stand-pipes; I even tried it by not loading all of the images at once, merging two, then the next, and the next, and so on, yet I still ended up with two stand-pipes. I ended up doing it manually; I find that I usually get better results that way anyways. This is totally your call, but if it is ok with you, could you please post the individual photos (doesn't have to be hires) and I will be happy to see if PSE has any problems stitching them together.
BuckSkin,
If you decide to go down this route, will you please start your own thread? Let's keep this thread in accordance with the purpose delineated by PeterJ.
I've found that for panorama stitching MS ICE does a better job than On1 PR 2018. Both these pano images were created from identical captures. Notice the right hand palm trunk visible in ICE; this is one glaring omission in On1's pano. Both images were finished in On1: set white and blackpoints, added DC with a luminosity mask, added a cloud texture with luminosity mask. Thanks in advance for your cooperation! |
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Post by BuckSkin on May 22, 2018 2:35:34 GMT
BuckSkin,
If you decide to go down this route, will you please start your own thread? Thanks in advance for your cooperation! No problem. For what it is worth, PSE was one of the programs that failed that particular Panorama. When I get time,I may post the end result in the Show Your Work section. |
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Post by Sepiana on May 22, 2018 3:06:59 GMT
This is totally your call, but if it is ok with you, could you please post the individual photos (doesn't have to be hires) and I will be happy to see if PSE has any problems stitching them together. BuckSkin,
If you decide to go down this route, will you please start your own thread? Let's keep this thread in accordance with the purpose delineated by PeterJ.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation!
No problem. For what it is worth, PSE was one of the programs that failed that particular Panorama. When I get time,I may post the end result in the Show Your Work section. BuckSkin, thanks for being so understanding! Your cooperation is truly appreciated. |
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Post by Bailey on May 22, 2018 3:18:05 GMT
Hi Buckskin, This is very interesting. Earlier this thread I posted 3 things that should be done (Point 1 was a must do) in order to maximise the chances of a good stitching job by any reputable stitching application. I find it puzzling as to what could be in the scenes to cause all your stitching programs to output 2 standpipes when there was only 1 in the scene. This is totally your call, but if it is ok with you, could you please post the individual photos (doesn't have to be hires) and I will be happy to see if PSE has any problems stitching them together. The panoramas I posted earlier in this thread are examples of the 99.9% of times PSE does an excellent job for me. No problem. For what it is worth, PSE was one of the programs that failed that particular Panorama. When I get time,I may post the end result in the Show Your Work section. No problem Buckskin. I, for one, would be interested in finding the root cause of all your programs failing to stitch your photos together correctly. |
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Post by Sepiana on May 22, 2018 3:35:51 GMT
BuckSkin,
If you decide to go down this route, will you please start your own thread? Thanks in advance for your cooperation! No problem. For what it is worth, PSE was one of the programs that failed that particular Panorama. When I get time,I may post the end result in the Show Your Work section. BuckSkin,
Have you tried ON1 Photo RAW, one of the programs Peterj discusses in this thread? You are quite familiar with ON1 software; you shouldn't have a steep learning curve. They offer a free trial.
ON1 Photo RAW 2018.1
An Overview of The Panorama Tool – ON1 Photo RAW
Also, if you need, you can get in-house help. Peterj is quite experienced in the use of this program and so is Craig. 
I've been getting very good results in ON1 Photo Raw 2018.
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Post by Bailey on May 22, 2018 4:11:56 GMT
I think we all need to remember that no software manufacturer is going to give an unconditional 100% guarantee that their application will produce 100% correct results in 100% cases. Even in the op Peterj mentioned that MS ICE did a better job at stitching than ON1. And I am sure that there could be situations where the reverse might be true. And that can be said when comparing all applications. I haven't seen any evidence in this thread that conclusively shows to me that any application is better than another. They will all have strengths and weaknesses. All I can do is speak of my experience and state that in my experience PSE has given me excellent results in 99.9% of the times. Major Major has made a similar observation based on his experience with ON1. But our, or anyone else's, experience with applications dose not prove in any way that one is better than the other. I still maintain that if you have properly taken and prepared photos, then any reputable application (PSE, ON1, MS ICE etc etc etc) should provide very good results in the overwhelming majority of cases.
I rest my case your honour (or whoever is reading this) |
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Post by srmoment on May 22, 2018 4:29:24 GMT
Hey there Peter, ...I like the ICE pano. This is a bit off topic, but I was experimenting with panos and submitted a question to the OnOne forum, which I think you answered! In Photoshop Elements, when I use the panorama feature, the resulting .psd file contains the different images and masks used to make the finalized panorama. Can OnOne’s panorama output also include the images/masks used? I like OnOne’s finalized panos, but I often find the pano needs some adjusting and there is no “history” to work from. This was Hudson Henry's reply in case you missed it: (the upshot being that panos in OnOne still need some work) Pat, There is not a way to get the blended images as layers in ON1’s engine at this point. It’s a great thing to drop into the Photo RAW project as a request. www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/ideas/PS: I reach for Photoshop too when I need to adjust a single image’s layer after they are aligned, but not yet blended. |
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Post by BuckSkin on May 22, 2018 4:57:25 GMT
BuckSkin,
Have you tried ON1 Photo RAW, one of the programs Peterj discusses in this thread? No, I haven't yet tried it. I figured to sit tight and wait until they offer it for free for keeps, which may be sooner than later. Thanks for the links; I will check them out. |
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Post by Sepiana on May 22, 2018 5:14:20 GMT
BuckSkin, you are most welcome!
I haven't seen any indication that ON1 is planning to offer Photo RAW for free either soon or later. This is a new program; the first version was released in 2017.
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Post by Major Major on May 22, 2018 15:38:31 GMT
I figured to sit tight and wait until they offer it for free for keeps, which may be sooner than later. I wouldn't hold my breath for that one.  |
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Post by Peterj on May 22, 2018 19:05:19 GMT
Hey there Peter, ...I like the ICE pano. This is a bit off topic, but I was experimenting with panos and submitted a question to the OnOne forum, which I think you answered! In Photoshop Elements, when I use the panorama feature, the resulting .psd file contains the different images and masks used to make the finalized panorama. Can OnOne’s panorama output also include the images/masks used? I like OnOne’s finalized panos, but I often find the pano needs some adjusting and there is no “history” to work from. This was Hudson Henry's reply in case you missed it: (the upshot being that panos in OnOne still need some work) Pat, There is not a way to get the blended images as layers in ON1’s engine at this point. It’s a great thing to drop into the Photo RAW project as a request. www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/ideas/PS: I reach for Photoshop too when I need to adjust a single image’s layer after they are aligned, but not yet blended. I've used PSE for pano individual layers. The down side is the resulting file size is quite large when one saves all the layers in the psd file.
A workaround using On1 might be to open all the pano images in layers and manually blend.
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Post by Bailey on May 22, 2018 21:07:57 GMT
When I have finished creating and editing the panorama in PSE, I flatten the image to reduce the file size. I don't have a need for the individual layers anymore at this stage.
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