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Post by Sydney on May 23, 2018 10:25:20 GMT
Today I was playing around with some brushes that I downloaded as an .abr file and loaded into PSE 15. I noticed that if I subsequently changed brush sets to use a different brush and then tried to go back to the set that I had loaded that it no longer appeared and I had to reload it. I would have thought that the set would have stayed open for as long as I had Elements open. Does anyone know if the default behaviour of externally loaded brush sets is to only stay open as long as the set is active?
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Post by Bailey on May 23, 2018 10:55:14 GMT
Hi Sydney,
That behaviour doesn't sound right. The extra .abr brush files that I have loaded into my PSE 14 are there permanently.
How did you load/install your new brushes into PSE 15?
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Post by Lillias on May 23, 2018 11:14:30 GMT
Sydney your experience with the brushes is just the same as mine and I am of the opinion that it's because these brushes were loaded 'temporarily' and not actually installed into the brushes categories.
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Post by Sepiana on May 23, 2018 12:01:48 GMT
Sydney, there is nothing wrong with the behavior you describe. My experience is the same as yours and BillieJean's.
When you load brushes (Load button), you are making those brushes available to the Brush tool temporarily. It is usually suggested that you do this in the case of brushes that you may not use very often .
When you install brushes in the Brushes folder within Elements, you are making them available to the Brush tool on a permanent basis.
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop Elements 15\Presets\Brushes
 
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Post by BuckSkin on May 23, 2018 17:25:59 GMT
I have the same problem, except just a bit different, both with brushes and patterns.
Brushes may stay where I put them throughout several restarts and then just disappear.
As for patterns, I have patterns that were created in exactly the same manner, using Edit > Define Pattern, some will be there always and others just disappear.
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Post by fotofrank on May 23, 2018 18:44:00 GMT
In Elements 15, they are located at /Applications/Adobe Photoshop Elements 15/Support Files/Presets/brushes on a MAC.
I have 25 brush sets stored with no issues. I even did a reset on the brush tool and none of them disappeared.
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Post by Sydney on May 23, 2018 21:05:49 GMT
Thanks Sepiana, good to know that this is the expected behaviour of external brush sets and not a problem with my pc, although I would have thought they would have stayed memory resident for as long as Elements was open. I guess I will just have to reload it each time I jump out and then want to get back into a particular external set.
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Post by Bailey on May 24, 2018 2:15:49 GMT
... I guess I will just have to reload it each time I jump out and then want to get back into a particular external set. Not necessarily. Perhaps try this to make your workflow more efficient by not having to reload the brushes during a project. This applies to PSE 14 and Windows 7 and I assume the concept could apply to other versions as well. 1. Store all your 3rd party .abr brushes in a separate folder. In fig.1 I have set up a demo myPSErushes folder containing 3rd party brushes. 2. In the myPSEbrushes folder create a shortcut to the PSE folder that contains all the brushes that come with PSE (fig. 1) 3. When you start a new PSE project in which you will be using your 3rd party brushes, right-click the shortcut in point 2 and select "Open in new Window". Now you should have 2 folder windows on your desktop - 1 containing your 3rd party brushes and the second containing all your PSE brushes. 4. Copy the 3rd party brushes you will need to the PSE brushes folder (fig. 2). 5. Restart PSE and it will then load all your 3rd party brushes to the Default Brushes in your brush tool. Installing the 3rd party brushes this way will make them permanent until you delete them from the PSE brushes folder. 6. When you have completed your PSE project, simply delete the .abr brush files from the PSE Brushes folder (fig. 2) and they will disappear from the Default Brush set the next time you restart PSE.  Fig. 1  Fig. 2 |
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Post by Sepiana on May 24, 2018 2:27:44 GMT
I have 25 brush sets stored with no issues. I even did a reset on the brush tool and none of them disappeared. Frank, I had to smile when I read this. I did the same thing -- reset the Brush tool (just to be sure) and none of the brushes disappeared.
The only scenarios I can think of where permanently-installed brushes would disappear are:
1. If you, on purpose, go to Presets/Brushes and delete the .abr filles.
2. If you uninstall/reinstall PSE. When PSE is reinstalled, it opens in a "virgin" state, i.e., no added-on brushes, just the built-in ones.
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Post by Bailey on May 24, 2018 2:35:47 GMT
Frank, I had to smile when I read this. I did the same thing -- reset the Brush tool (just to be sure) and none of the brushes disappeared. ... Yes Sepiana, I had a smile as well  Hopefully the modification in workflow I suggested earlier will help Sydney, fotofrank and anyone else with the same concerns. |
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Post by Sepiana on May 24, 2018 2:53:11 GMT
Thanks Sepiana, good to know that this is the expected behaviour of external brush sets and not a problem with my pc, although I would have thought they would have stayed memory resident for as long as Elements was open. I guess I will just have to reload it each time I jump out and then want to get back into a particular external set.
Sydney, you are most welcome!
BTW, someone posted on the Adobe Photoshop Elements forum about the same experience you are having.
If you read through that thread, you will see that the solution suggested follows the same lines of BillieJean's, Frank's, and my suggestions. -- Put the .abr files in the Presets/Brushes folder.
Source: My loaded brushes disappear each time I change brushes, how do you prevent this? |
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Post by Bailey on May 24, 2018 3:14:27 GMT
That link essentially describes the same solution. In the op where Sydney said ... I would have thought that the set would have stayed open for as long as I had Elements open. ... I interpreted that as meaning he had no need for the brushes to be permanent, but only for the PSE session. It isn't clear to me that he wants a permanent installation of the brushes hence my demo on "toggling" brushes' permanency on a project by project basis. If I had a huge number of 3rd party brushes to play with I certainly wouldn't want them all cluttering up my PSE brush sets permanently. Anyway, hopefully Sydney will clarify if I misunderstood his op. |
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Post by Sydney on May 24, 2018 3:46:56 GMT
... I guess I will just have to reload it each time I jump out and then want to get back into a particular external set. Not necessarily. Perhaps try this to make your workflow more efficient by not having to reload the brushes during a project. This applies to PSE 14 and Windows 7 and I assume the concept could apply to other versions as well. 1. Store all your 3rd party .abr brushes in a separate folder. In fig.1 I have set up a demo myPSErushes folder containing 3rd party brushes. 2. In the myPSEbrushes folder create a shortcut to the PSE folder that contains all the brushes that come with PSE (fig. 1) 3. When you start a new PSE project in which you will be using your 3rd party brushes, right-click the shortcut in point 2 and select "Open in new Window". Now you should have 2 folder windows on your desktop - 1 containing your 3rd party brushes and the second containing all your PSE brushes. 4. Copy the 3rd party brushes you will need to the PSE brushes folder (fig. 2). 5. Restart PSE and it will then load all your 3rd party brushes to the Default Brushes in your brush tool. Installing the 3rd party brushes this way will make them permanent until you delete them from the PSE brushes folder. 6. When you have completed your PSE project, simply delete the .abr brush files from the PSE Brushes folder (fig. 2) and they will disappear from the Default Brush set the next time you restart PSE. Fig. 1 Fig. 2 Bailey, I am well aware that I can copy the .abr file into the PSE brushes folder to make it permanent, but this is what I want to avoid so as to maintain a clean install of PSE. Any additional brushes apart from the ones which come as part of PSE are loaded into memory at PSE start and, hence, use additional resources. Since I might only use a particular brush set once in a blue moon (as I was doing yesterday) there is really no point in copying it into the PSE brush folder. My original post was strictly related to the default behaviour of external brush sets as opposed to the ones which come with Elements. |
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Post by Bailey on May 24, 2018 4:03:35 GMT
no problem Sydney The workflow I described is what I do when in the same situation as you (wanting to maintain a clean PSE installation) and want to use rarely used brushes for a project without having to reload them every time I change brush set as you described in your op. |
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Post by Bailey on May 27, 2018 5:31:31 GMT
... Any additional brushes apart from the ones which come as part of PSE are loaded into memory at PSE start and, hence, use additional resources. ... Hi again Sydney, I suspect you don't really need to worry about the extra memory the brushes use, unless for some unusual reason you are running at close to capacity of your available RAM. I just looked at the size of my PSE 14 Brushes folder containing just the brushes that come with PSE and it is only a tiny 55.1MB in size. To put that in perspective, my RAW files when I open them in PSE take up around 30MB of RAM each and the final .psd uses up typically 60-100MB of RAM. And when I am working on around 7 RAW files to stitch into a panorama I am using up to 500MB RAM once the stitched panorama is outputed to the PSE editor alongside the original photos. So even if you are working only on jpg images (I have no idea whether you shoot in RAW or jpg), adding a few extra rarely used brushes to the brushes folder as I described in my demo in an earlier post, will take up only a tiny percentage of extra RAM compared to what the PSE application uses by default and any opened images you have in the editor. You will see that at the end of the project I suggest in my demo that you delete the rarely used brushes you added to the Brushes folder for the project anyway. Hope this clarifies what I was suggesting in my demo |
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