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Post by Peterj on Jul 1, 2018 4:06:41 GMT
This chart is intended to indicate photo editing features available in: - ON1 Photo RAW 2018.5 (12.5.1.5571)
- Adobe Camera Raw 10.1.0.864 ... shipped with PSE, not the full featured version available in Photoshop
- Adobe Photoshop Elements 2018 (20170902.m.113423) x64
A special thanks to Sepiana who helped with testing and kept me on the straight and narrow.
Questions and comments about method and any function are welcome. The focus on these products does not disparage other products or manufacturers and should not be perceived as a recommendation. Please create a separate thread if you wish to comment or compare other products.
ON1_PSE.zip (52.83 KB)
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Post by Bailey on Jul 1, 2018 5:51:08 GMT
Hi Peter, Unsharp Mask in PSE 14 In your chart you have "Sharpening/threshold" for the PSE editor set to "n". The Unsharp Mask filter in my PSE 14 does have "Amount", "Radius" and " Threshold" settings you can use to sharpen images. Despite its name, the Unsharp Mask is actually a sharpening tool. I assume PSE 2018 has the same or better Unsharp mask. Have I misunderstood your chart?
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Post by Bailey on Jul 1, 2018 7:23:48 GMT
Also, ACR has a "Tint" adjustment slider in the White Balance controls in addition to the "Temperature" adjustment.
I don't see the "Tint" feature at all in your chart. It's a very important adjustment to fine-tune white balance and I would have thought it should have been included if your aim is to provide a complete comparison.
PSE also has many, many, many more editing features which I find very useful that do not appear in your chart.
ON1 RAW and ACR are both raw converters/editors, PSE is not. So I am not convinced that comparing PSE to any raw converter is fair. I see it akin to comparing an apple to an orange.
To be honest, with the error I mentioned in my previous post and with the omission of the "Tint" feature in ACR and the many other editing features in PSE, I don't see the chart as much use for me personally because I now have little confidence in its accuracy and completeness.
I don't have time to go through your chart with a fine tooth comb to check it. But obviously, people can take it for whatever value it may have for themselves. For me, I would now have to do my own comparisons and checks if I really needed to know the features of each product.
But thank you for taking the time to try to put this comparison together.
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Post by Bailey on Jul 1, 2018 12:55:54 GMT
Hi again Peter,
You also have "Lens correction manual" set to "n" for the PSE editor, which to me is not correct or at least needs a side-note to explain what kind on manual lens correction you mean.
In my PSE 14 I have Filter -> Correct Camera Distortion.
I use that module to correct pin cushion and barrel distortions, vignette's and horizontal/vertical perspective distortions due to lenses.
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Post by Bailey on Jul 3, 2018 9:27:19 GMT
... Questions and comments about method and any function are welcome. ... I feel some clarification is needed here since I have just noticed that you have "Nested albums" listed as an edit function. In your OP you mention the 3 applications you are comparing the editing features of - - ON1 Photo RAW 2018.5 (12.5.1.5571)
- Adobe Camera Raw 10.1.0.864 ... shipped with PSE, not the full featured version available in Photoshop
- Adobe Photoshop Elements 2018 (20170902.m.113423) x64
But first some background information in case you are not aware. Photoshop Elements (PSE) is made up of 3 parts all integrated with each other - 1. The Organiser, 2. The Editor 3. Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) which is built in to the Editor. I would have thought that "Nested albums" is really an organising feature rather an edit feature, but in any case of course ACR and the editor won't have "Nested albums" because that is not their function. However, the Organiser does have nested albums. There are 2 ways you can set up a nested albums tree in the Organiser: 1. Nest album categories (which cannot contain images, just actual albums) and then create an album to add images to within the last album category. 2. Using keyword tags to create albums. First create a new Keyword category named "Albums" (or whatever you like) and then create as many levels of subcategories as you like under "Albums" to add images to. The advantage of using keyword categories in the same way as you would use an album is that you can add images to any sub category. So imho, if you have "Nested albums" listed as a feature it is not fair to just simply say ACR and the Editor don't have them, as in your chart, because neither of those parts of PSE have an organising images role. A fair way to include "Nested albums" in your comparison would be to have a 3rd column for the Organiser and set "Nested albums" to "y" and n/a (not applicable) for ACR and the Editor. This way you would be comparing all of ON1 with all of PSE and not just 2/3 of it as you are currently. As always, just some food for thought
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Post by srmoment on Jul 3, 2018 18:38:53 GMT
Peter, thanks for taking time for researching this. Many of us use On1, ACR and Elements. Bailey, in his negative way has added positively to your research, and as users we appreciate the information.
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Post by Peterj on Jul 3, 2018 19:12:35 GMT
Peter, thanks for taking time for researching this. Many of us use On1, ACR and Elements. Bailey, in his negative way has added positively to your research, and as users we appreciate the information. I also use all 3 products and have no affiliation with either company.
I think the show business mantra [there's no such thing as bad publicity] holds true here.
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Post by Bailey on Jul 3, 2018 23:33:01 GMT
... Bailey, in his negative way has added positively to your research, and as users we appreciate the information. Hi srmoment, Thank you for taking my posts in the way they were intended . I assume the purpose of Peter's chart is to inform and help potential or even existing users of those applications. Erroneous and/or misleading information obviously doesn't do that and more often than not ends up wasting peoples' time. At least now anyone interested in the chart can apply the corrections I posted earlier and then use the chart information in whatever way that might be useful to them. I know that if I posted/published erroneous and/or misleading information it would reflect badly on my competency and character.
... I think the show business mantra [there's no such thing as bad publicity] holds true here.
Yes Peter and that is exactly the mantra I also believe in when posting on the www. But we need to keep in mind that for every rule/mantra there is always at least one exception (Harvey Weinstein for example)
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