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Post by Bailey on Sept 4, 2018 11:57:38 GMT
I am having a bit of a play converting the original image I took mid afternoon to what I think it would have looked like during the golden hour before sunset.
I am not 100% happy yet with the colours and tones of the golden hour image so will have to tinker with it a bit more  .
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Post by whippet on Sept 4, 2018 19:41:39 GMT
If that was my attempt, I would be very happy with the result, Bailey. But as you know, my knowledge is nil.
I look forward to what you consider 100%. |
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Post by hmca on Sept 4, 2018 20:29:33 GMT
Interesting experiment, Bailey. I like your idea and will be following to see how you proceed.
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Post by Sydney on Sept 4, 2018 21:35:53 GMT
Bailey, I think you have the warm tones in place, but I would brighten up the image a bit. If, by chance, you have Nik Color Efex you might want to experiment with the Indian Summer filter. Just a thought.
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Post by Bailey on Sept 4, 2018 23:39:34 GMT
If that was my attempt, I would be very happy with the result, Bailey. But as you know, my knowledge is nil.
I look forward to what you consider 100%. Interesting experiment, Bailey. I like your idea and will be following to see how you proceed.
Thank you for your comments whippet and hmca  .
I will keep tinkering with it and post back when I come up with something I feel is better. I am about 90% happy with it atm |
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Post by Bailey on Sept 5, 2018 0:28:33 GMT
Bailey, I think you have the warm tones in place, but I would brighten up the image a bit. If, by chance, you have Nik Color Efex you might want to experiment with the Indian Summer filter. Just a thought. Thank you Sydney To be honest I'm not sure of exactly what I want. But I think you are on the right track with brightening the image. In the "sunset" image I posted in the OP I just simply created a new blank layer with an orange to yellow linear, diagonal gradient and set the blending mode to multiply. I guess the image looks a little flat to me and I am trying to give it a bit more depth by making the water and/or rocks pop a bit more while still maintaining a sense of realism to the scene. Now that you mentioned Nik, I actually do have a "free demo" limited version installed in my PSE which I installed a few years ago but have never used after the initial "play" with it. I can't find the Indian Summer filter but under Color Efex 4 I found a "Warm Sunset" filter and applied it. The result is the image on the right. It certainly makes the water pop and adds a bit more saturation to the colours in the rocks but I'm not convinced that is how the scene would have looked in the golden hour. I feel the water and colours pop a little too much for realism, but I will play with the adjustments because I feel this is heading in the right direction. Thank you again and I will post back when I come up with another version |
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Post by hmca on Sept 5, 2018 0:48:30 GMT
I think you are definitely moving in the right direction. Sydney gave you a good suggestion about using Color Efex. Two other filters you might want to try are the skylight filter and the sunlight filter....but maybe that's the one you tried. I also like the reflector efex filter from time to time. And I'm sure you realize you can play with opacities and masks. Looking forward to see your next version.
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Post by Bailey on Sept 5, 2018 10:34:19 GMT
Thank you hmca Unfortunately I don't have those filters you mentioned. I have an old and very limited "demo" installation of Nik with only about 10-12 different filters. I am now 96% happy with this version. On my screen I have the red and yellow tones I was looking for in the rocks with the flowing water standing out a bit in contrast. I feel this image is still a fairly realistic golden hour before sunset scene. Basically, the main thing I did in addition to my previous posts was add a red to yellow Gradient map adjustment layer - red at 0 and yellow at 255 tonal values. I then used various shades of grey on a brush to mask out most of the adjustments from the water. I have assigned a dark background to this post as on my screen the red/yellow colour tones look better than on a white background - my apologies to anyone who finds this hard on their eyes. |
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Post by hmca on Sept 5, 2018 12:48:29 GMT
I think I actually like the version before better, Bailey. In this one the red color is too pervasive and there is no real variation in color. The one above this post retains some of the golds and greens and looks more natural to my eye.
I do like the water in the new version.
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Post by whippet on Sept 5, 2018 14:57:47 GMT
I am having a bit of a play converting the original image I took mid afternoon to what I think it would have looked like during the golden hour before sunset.
I am not 100% happy yet with the colours and tones of the golden hour image so will have to tinker with it a bit more .
Have you thought of going back at the golden hour, and taking a photo?  |
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Post by Bailey on Sept 6, 2018 3:07:29 GMT
I think I actually like the version before better, Bailey. In this one the red color is too pervasive and there is no real variation in color. The one above this post retains some of the golds and greens and looks more natural to my eye. I do like the water in the new version.
Thank you for your thoughts hmca ,
I am getting various thoughts elsewhere as well on this one and I think part of the reason is that everyone is probably looking at a slightly different rendered version of the same jpeg in their screen as I discuss in my " Why Photos Don't look The same On All Screens" thread. Sure, greens will not come out as yellows but as sure as night follows day, a given colour will appear slightly differently on most screens.
I will keep tinkering with it to try to squeeze out the extra 4% to get to my 100% satisfaction
Thank you again.
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Post by Bailey on Sept 6, 2018 3:13:50 GMT
Hi whippet, Have you thought of going back at the golden hour, and taking a photo? Yes that would have been the obvious thing to do But unfortunately it is not a 5 minutes drive and walk to there and now that I am on the wrong side of 60 but can still pretty much do what I like when I like (after I have catered to the wishes and commands of 'she who must be obeyed' ) I am becoming too lazy to do one off trips for things like this.
The next time we go out that way I will try to time it closer to one of the golden hours. |
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Post by Sydney on Sept 6, 2018 7:50:40 GMT
I think you are getting close with that last image Bailey although I think there is a bit too much greenish tone. Perhaps you could add a HSL layer above it and then adjust the hue of the green channel a bit towards yellowish orange.
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Post by hmca on Sept 6, 2018 12:02:31 GMT
Bailey in the end you are the one who has to be happy with it. I can't help but laugh when I see that I think it looks too red and Sydney thinks it looks too green. It certainly supports your point about things appearing differently on different monitors. I admire your perseverance with this project.
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Post by Bailey on Sept 6, 2018 23:36:30 GMT
Hi Sydney and hmca, I think you are getting close with that last image Bailey although I think there is a bit too much greenish tone. Perhaps you could add a HSL layer above it and then adjust the hue of the green channel a bit towards yellowish orange. Bailey in the end you are the one who has to be happy with it. I can't help but laugh when I see that I think it looks too red and Sydney thinks it looks too green. It certainly supports your point about things appearing differently on different monitors. I admire your perseverance with this project. Yes hmca, it certainly supports my point about things appearing differently on different monitors but this is a much bigger difference than I normally expect  . I too still have a chuckle when I am reminded, and you might recall, a member described one of my posted images as looking "blah". It makes me wonder what her screen settings are. This is the main reason why I calibrate my screen and create my own custom printer profiles so that when I am happy with what I see on my screen and I can get an extremely close match when I make a print. Sydney - thank you once more for your thoughts and suggestions, but to be perfectly honest, I don't see an overall greenish tone in the latest version of my image. I see some greenish-redish tones in the foliage and mainly reddish tones in the rest of the image. Please feel free, and this applies to anyone else interested, to download any of the images I have posted in this thread and have a "play" with it. As I would expect, at least on my screen, when I applied an extra Hue/Saturation adjustment layer and made the adjustment you suggested it makes very little difference to the tones in the image, at least on my screen. Thank you again to you both |
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