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Post by BuckSkin on Sept 27, 2018 14:00:36 GMT
Concerning Elements 7, is there some trick that will allow manipulating a rectangular selection to fine tune it ?
I know that I can move the entire selection; but, often, I need to tweak the width or height or both just a bit --- much like one is able to do with the Crop perimeter.
Thanks for reading and all help is appreciated.
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Post by Major Major on Sept 27, 2018 15:49:08 GMT
I don't go back as far as E7, but under selections, is there not a "Transform selection" option? That's what you want.
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Post by BuckSkin on Sept 27, 2018 16:53:47 GMT
I don't go back as far as E7, but under selections, is there not a "Transform selection" option? That's what you want. Thanks ! ; I will check that out. Ten Minutes Later on the same day : No such animal in E7; but, I do have it in E12 and it is exactly what I was wanting. I can just jump over to E12, micro-tune my selection, save the selection, jump back in good old E7 and go on with my business. Or, maybe someone smarter than me can somehow migrate that ability into E7. Thanks, Major, for enlightening me that I even had a Transform ability.
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Post by Major Major on Sept 27, 2018 17:11:08 GMT
My pleasure. I'm sure, though, that there's no way to migrate that facility to another program.
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Post by Sepiana on Sept 27, 2018 17:35:35 GMT
I don't go back as far as E7, but under selections, is there not a "Transform selection" option? That's what you want. Thanks ! ; I will check that out. Ten Minutes Later on the same day : No such animal in E7; but, I do have it in E12 and it is exactly what I was wanting. I can just jump over to E12, micro-tune my selection, save the selection, jump back in good old E7 and go on with my business. Or, maybe someone smarter than me can somehow migrate that ability into E7. Thanks, Major, for enlightening me that I even had a Transform ability. BuckSkin,
I am not sure I understand what you are trying to do. Forgive me if I am on the wrong track.
I have both Elements 7 and Elements 12. Craig's suggestion -- "Transform Selection option -- is available in both versions. With the selection still active, you can bring up Free Transform.
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Post by BuckSkin on Sept 27, 2018 18:21:44 GMT
Craig's suggestion -- "Transform Selection option -- is available in both versions. With the selection still active, you can bring up Free Transform. Thanks! and yet another way to skin the cat. In E12, under the Select menu, there is an option "Transform" that puts movable handles on a rectangular selection, exactly like the Crop tool except without the shadowing; this Transform command is absent from the Select menu in E7. At your suggestion, in E7, I made a rectangular selection on a blank white image and then chose Image > Transform > Free Transform; this put handles on my selection and I was able to drag the sides wherever I wanted; plus, I could rotate and skew the selection. There is one glitch by using the Free Transform though; when I made the selection a bit smaller, red covered the area between the original selection and the new position; this red is the same as if one painted it there --- it does not go away; so, one would be advised to always do their selection manipulating on a blank layer that can be discarded; unless......., there is some way to prevent this red marking. Anyhow, this new knowledge will allow me to accomplish what I was wanting and to accomplish it in E7. I have probably every Elements book known to man, and have read them thoroughly; yet, there is always something you guys can enlighten me about that is not covered in any of my books; it is much appreciated.
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Post by Sepiana on Sept 27, 2018 19:21:18 GMT
Craig's suggestion -- "Transform Selection option -- is available in both versions. With the selection still active, you can bring up Free Transform. Thanks! and yet another way to skin the cat. In E12, under the Select menu, there is an option "Transform" that puts movable handles on a rectangular selection, exactly like the Crop tool except without the shadowing; this Transform command is absent from the Select menu in E7.
Thanks for the clarification! Now I understand what you meant. Yes, that's correct. The Transform Selection command is not available in the Select menu in Elements 7.
I got curious and did some checking around. This command was introduced in Elements 8.
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Post by BuckSkin on Sept 28, 2018 6:55:51 GMT
Alas, I thought I had found a winner. In E7, when I was investigating using Free Transform on a rectangular selection, I did all of my practicing on a single background layer. When I saw it was leaving red wherever I moved the lines closer, I figured no big deal, I would just do my manipulating on a discardable layer and throw the red away; however, I cannot get this to work in practice. If I try to manipulate my selection on a layer, instead of only moving the selection border, it squishes and resizes everything inside the selection lines; if using a blank layer, it appears to be doing what I want until I commit, at which point my selection disappears. The only way that I can get it to relocate the selection lines without distorting everything inside the selection is to do it on the background layer; doing thus, it all looks fine and the very top all-visible layer appears to be unmolested; however, once I commit, there are those red markings on every layer in between.
Surely I am missing something or doing something wrong.
EDIT >>> UPDATE: I found a workaround; it adds a couple steps, but avoids the unwanted red markings. 1. add a blank layer at the top of the layer stack 2. make my "rough draft" rectangular selection 3. stroke the inside of the selection with 2px red --- if you don't, it will not transform the selection --- there has to be some sort of image information at all selection borders 4. Image > Transform > Free Transform and slide my red border lines to where I want my selection, keeping in mind that the inner edge of the red border is going to be the selection. 5. Commit the transformation 6. Deselect 7. Magic Wand __ tolerance = 0 __ Contingent = checked __ All Layers = not checked 8.Click the Magic Wand inside the red border ---- that is my fine-tuned selection
This may seem like a lot of wasted effort, but there is a real reason why I need this.
If anyone knows how to do the Free Transform on a selection in E7 and avoid the red markings, I would like to know what the trick is.
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Post by BuckSkin on Sept 28, 2018 14:56:49 GMT
A bit more experimenting and I figured out the red markings.
It just so happened that when I was getting the red markings, my background color just happened to be red; change the background color and the markings change along with it.
So, my findings are that, in E7, the only controllable way to change individual sides of a rectangular selection by using Free Transform is to follow my description above.
Thanks, everyone, for their help, suggestions, and input.
For what it's worth, a rectangular selection made in the new single-window GIMP comes with sizing handles by default.
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Post by cats4jan on Oct 21, 2018 1:11:48 GMT
Is the photo you are working on 'locked' (says "background" in the layers panel) - because the behavior you describe (the background color being left over when you make a selection) happens only if your photo is a background layer - a layer which is locked. In this example, I have erased on a background layer - because I have not unlocked it, the chosen background color - in this case red - was left over after I erased. This same thing happens when you move a selection. After unlocking the layer - turning it into a regular layer - when I erased, all that was left was transparency. Try unlocking the layer -- you can do this by: -going to the layers panel and dragging the lock to the trashcan (it will then be called 'layer 0) -or by right clicking on the layer and choosing "layer from background" -or by duplicating the layer and deleting the original locked background layer See the lock on the right side of the layer? Drag the lock to the trashcan to unlock it Layer will then be called Layer 0 Note: not all photos will come into your project as 'background' layers, but when they do, it's always better to unlock them to prevent grief when working with them.
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 21, 2018 22:03:56 GMT
not all photos will come into your project as 'background' layers, but when they do, it's always better to unlock them to prevent grief when working with them. Thanks for the info and the descriptive pictures. If one unlocks a Background Layer, will it still retain all of the metadata? ; I need to try a few and see.
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Post by cats4jan on Oct 22, 2018 9:24:06 GMT
I don't know about the meta data. I have not run into any negatives when unlocking it. Be sure to rename your file, so you don't compromise your original.
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