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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 2, 2015 5:46:29 GMT
Is there a work-a-round in Elements 7 that will permit me to use more than one "effect" on a type layer ?
I typed my text, then selected and applied a bevel; then, I selected "molten gold" and applied it.
When I applied the molten gold, instead of having molten gold letters with a bevel, it just replaced the bevel effect.
I tried the procedure in reverse, applying the molten gold first and then adding the bevel; same results, the molten gold disappeared and was replaced with the bevel.
I experimented with various maneuvers with no better results.
Can I make this work or will I just have to settle for one effect at a time ?
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 2, 2015 6:41:14 GMT
Buckskin,
Elements allows you to apply multiple styles to the same layer. In my example, I applied a Bevel, a Complex, and a Drop Shadow style.
However, when I tried the style you used (Molten Gold), it didn't work as expected. I tried it in Elements 7, 10, 11, 12, and 13, and got the same results. I need to do some more troubleshooting to see what is going on.
As a side note -- There should be no need to simplify your text layer to apply a style. Layer styles can be applied to text which has not been simplified as well as to text which has. As a matter of fact, it is recommended that you do not simplify a text layer if you don't have to. Elements allows you to edit the text just like in a word processor as long as you don’t simplify it; this means you can change the words, the font, the font size and color. Once you simplify the text, Elements doesn’t see it as text any longer but as regular pixels. |
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Post by shaun on Jun 2, 2015 8:54:29 GMT
I don't know if this will give you what your after but try this. Select text layer, use short cut' control and j' this copies text layer. In the layers pallet select the paper clip item next to text layer to link both text layers. Apply your effect to the copy. Then alter opacity on both layers till you get what you want. As a side note you can purchase from the plugin site layers xxl and elements xxL2 which has lots of other options. I have these and really like them. I'm sure others may have alternative methods. Best of luck with your project
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Post by Bayla on Jun 2, 2015 9:11:03 GMT
Could it be anything to do with the fact that Molten comes automatically with its own Bevel - if you click on the fx icon (I'm using PSE9 btw) you can see that. The Complex Layer Style you chose (Sepiana) doesn't.
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Post by shaun on Jun 2, 2015 11:31:57 GMT
I think your right Bayla, that solves a mystery that I was curious about. Also I think you could add layer masks to text layers which would allow you to have more control on what effect shows through on each text layer style. I can't recall which version of elements introduced layer masks but there are work around for that if its some thing which interests you.
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Post by Bayla on Jun 2, 2015 11:51:01 GMT
Layer Masks were introduced in version 9 (that's what I'm using)
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Post by michelb on Jun 2, 2015 15:45:11 GMT
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 2, 2015 16:40:06 GMT
Could it be anything to do with the fact that Molten comes automatically with its own Bevel - if you click on the fx icon (I'm using PSE9 btw) you can see that. The Complex Layer Style you chose (Sepiana) doesn't. Bayla Bayla, you are on the right track. Last night I tested combining different layer styles, mainly the Complex and the Bevel ones. In certain combinations such as the Molten Gold + Bevel some tweaking is required. If you want to add a Bevel, you will need to play around with its Size slider until you get the look you want. It looks like it all depends on the "nature" of the layer styles being combined. In my example, I added the Inner Ridge bevel.
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Post by BuckSkin on Jun 2, 2015 17:36:37 GMT
Could it be anything to do with the fact that Molten comes automatically with its own Bevel - if you click on the fx icon (I'm using PSE9 btw) you can see that. The Complex Layer Style you chose (Sepiana) doesn't. Bayla Bayla, you are on the right track. Last night I tested combining different layer styles, mainly the Complex and the Bevel ones. In certain combinations such as the Molten Gold + Bevel some tweaking is required. If you want to add a Bevel, you will need to play around with its Size slider until you get the look you want. It looks like it all depends on the "nature" of the layer styles being combined. In my example, I added the Inner Ridge bevel.
THANKS !!! That bit of knowledge has just opened new horizons for me; prior to reading these two posts, I had no idea that the little fx was even something one could click. (Actually, nothing happened until I double-clicked it.)
I count five well-read Elements 7 books laying here on the desk and I think there are a couple more around here somewhere and I don't remember reading about this in any of them.
Up until now, I thought what I first saw was what I got; I had no idea that the possibilities were almost limitless. Thanks for enlightening me.
Thanks to everyone for your helpful input.
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 2, 2015 21:27:32 GMT
You are most welcome!
BTW, you can also access the Style Settings dialog via Layer>Layer Style>Style Settings.
Elements offers many different ways to customize layer styles.
Bevel -- Change the direction and size.
Drop Shadows -- Change the direction, distance, color, and opacity.
Glow -- Set the size, color, and opacity. This applies to both inner and outer glows. You can turn on/off each one individually.
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Post by cats4jan on Jun 3, 2015 0:11:24 GMT
I never simplify a text layer unless absolutely necessary and have found I seldom need to simplify.
However, when you try to do some of these more complex style combos or any other complex thing where one effect has an adverse result over another effect - I give up and simplify between applying effects. The amount of time one would spend trying to find a work around could easily be spent re typing your text if you found you needed to.
Most times when you try and do these complex multi-styles, you are probably creating an artistic title which would be so few words, it would be simple to re type them.
However, this discussion was informative, and often I do want to know the "whys" and "hows" - but even knowing how to do it wouldn't make me bother with a work around.
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 3, 2015 0:38:35 GMT
I never simplify a text layer unless absolutely necessary and have found I seldom need to simplify. I am on the same wavelength. If I really need to simplify a text layer, I will duplicate it and do it on this duplicate layer. In this way, I still have my original text layer. If I remember correctly, there are only a few instances when you need to simplify a text layer -- when you want to apply a filter, or paint on it, or if you need to merge this layer right away.
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Post by Sepiana on Jun 3, 2015 6:03:39 GMT
In the situation I described in my earlier post -- duplicating a text layer for the purpose of simplifying it -- file size it not an issue. Once I am sure everything is the way I want on the simplified text layer, I just delete the original text layer.
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Post by cats4jan on Jun 3, 2015 11:28:55 GMT
I've used the duplicate layer method most often because then I always have the original to go back to. I mainly simplify when I need to merge text layers, but even then, I'd most likely link layers instead of merging.
I've never gotten totally comfortable with masks or keeping my adjustment layers unmerged. You can only imagine how often I'm kicking myself because I didn't start with a mask.
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