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Post by robertwa on Jan 15, 2019 2:52:56 GMT
I have two photos, one straight from the camera and the other has been cropped (say to about two-thirds of its original size). I use the Text tool to put a label onto each photo, using the same font type and size. But when I view the saved jpg photos the label on the cropped photo appears larger than on the other one. I could use trial and error with the font size on the cropped photo until it appears about the same size as the uncropped one, but clearly I would like to avoid that tedious option if possible.
So, is there a way to create labels which will be the same size on photos, whether they are cropped or not?
Thanks in advance.
Robert
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Post by Bailey on Jan 15, 2019 3:57:01 GMT
What units is your font size set to? (Point or Pixels)
Is the resolution (ppi setting) of your 2 images the same?
If your font-size is Point and the two resolutions are different, then:
Point is a typhographical unit of measure with the font-size relative to the document's resolution.
For uniform font-sizes independent of the document's resolution try setting "Type" in Edit->Preferences->Units&Rulers to "Pixels" instead of "Point"
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Post by robertwa on Jan 15, 2019 12:05:12 GMT
Hi Bailey,
Thanks.
Exploring this issue has been enlightening for me.
First I started with a new photo and cropped it using the Use Photo Ratio option. Elements showed the original file was 56.44 cm by 31.72 cm at 180 ppi. The cropped version, about three-fifths of the original horizontally, showed exactly the same (although visually it was a little degraded from the original). With these two photos it didn’t matter whether I used Points or Pixels for the Type tool – the labels created came out the same size.
Then I looked again at the two photos which prompted my question about font sizes. Here the cropped version was not the same shape as the original. And with these two photos, using Points or Pixels both gave labels which were larger on the cropped version.
I then tried a work-around. I placed a label on the original photo using the Type tool set at 60 points. I then calculated an appropriate font size for the cropped version based on the ratio of the heights of the two photos. Since the heights of the cropped and original versions were about 20 cm and 30 cm respectively, for the label on the cropped version I used a font size two-thirds of the original 60 points, ie 40 points. This produced labels which looked to be the same size. It also seems to work using pixels instead of points. This is not an elegant solution but it will probably solve my problem.
Thanks again.
Cheers
Robert
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Post by cats4jan on Jan 15, 2019 14:15:26 GMT
Robert - you can crop your photo after the label is in place and then use the move tool to resize the text.
You do not need a text box to be able to resize text (although I am a proponent of text boxes if there is a lot of text) -- just choose your move tool, choose your text layer - and use the bounding box function of the move tool to resize the text to the size you think looks good on your cropped photo. It's more about how the proportion looks to you - not any designated or specific size.
Other than having to worry about cropping off any text that is too near the edge before you crop, this will be your simplest method.
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Post by Bailey on Jan 15, 2019 20:43:20 GMT
Hi Robert,
If both pixel and point sized text look larger on the cropped image than on the uncropped image then it appears you might be looking at the images with different magnification.
It would make what you are seeing more clear if you could post screenshots of the images including the document size and resolution near the bottom left corner of the editor window along with the font size you have set on each image.
A 50 pixel font size should look the same size on any image when viewed at 100% magnification.
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Post by robertwa on Jan 16, 2019 4:16:23 GMT
Thanks for the replies.
Janice - I would prefer not to have to rely on my aging eyes to judge the size of the labels. The labels are going onto a set of photos to be used as a slide show and I would prefer them to be uniform from one photo to the next. That's why I was looking for a solution which creates them the same.
Bailey - In PSE I am definitely looking at photos with different magnifications. However my problem was that when the images are saved as jpegs and then viewed full screen the labels applied to the cropped and uncropped photos are different. I agree that a 50 pixel font size should look the same size on any image when viewed at 100% magnification. But when the cropped jpeg is viewed full-screen it is being magnified more than the uncropped jpeg so the labels will appear larger in that case. My work-around, although a bit tedious, gives jpegs with same size labels.
Thanks again for all your help.
Cheers
Robert
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Post by pontiac1940 on Jan 16, 2019 4:52:24 GMT
Robert I've not read all of the replies. If you are presenting a digital slideshow then the first thing before any text is added is to make the slides the same size, say 1500 pixel by 900 pixels or whatever suits the projector or the viewing screen such as large-screen TV which would likely need 1920 by 1080..or something larger. In addition to being the same size in pixels, make sure the ppi is the same. This is related. The point with these examples is that there are two pictures with the same pixel dimensions BUT one is at 72 PPI and the other at 300 PPI...and the font point sizes differ and yet identical size on screen. Clive |
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Post by robertwa on Jan 16, 2019 6:34:50 GMT
Clive,
I think my work-around achieves the same result - using different font sizes based on the relative sizes of the photos, but having the final appearance being the same when viewed full-screen.
Thanks.
Robert
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 16, 2019 7:12:03 GMT
I have two photos, one straight from the camera and the other has been cropped (say to about two-thirds of its original size). I use the Text tool to put a label onto each photo, using the same font type and size. But when I view the saved jpg photos the label on the cropped photo appears larger than on the other one. . So, is there a way to create labels which will be the same size on photos, whether they are cropped or not? Robert, this workaround may not suit your current project but, if it doesn't, you can always save it for a rainy day.
You can use Process Multiple Files to resize your photos, adjust the resolution, and change the file format (if needed). This may help with the issue you are having as to the way text is being displayed. Just keep in mind that . . .
- This batch-processing works best when you are trying to reduce file sizes. - You get better results if the photos in one batch have the same orientation. Ex.: landscape. Don't mix landscape- and portrait-oriented photos in the same batch.
Batch Processing in Photoshop Elements
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Post by Bailey on Jan 16, 2019 7:43:30 GMT
You get better results if the photos in one batch have the same orientation. Ex.: landscape. Don't mix landscape- and portrait-oriented photos in the same batch. For the benefit of newbies, this is not really true. I more often than not resize a mixture of portrait and landscape images in a single batch using "Process Multiple Files" and PSE produces excellent results. I do not get better results in resizing if I separate landscape from portrait images. The quality of the resizing results is exactly the same. If for some reason I need to ensure that one edge of all images in a batch was a certain maximum length, then that is the only scenario I can think of where I would batch process landscape and portrait image separately, but I very, very rarely have this requirement.
Otherwise you can safely mix landscape and portrait images in a batch.
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 16, 2019 8:13:44 GMT
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Post by Bailey on Jan 16, 2019 8:21:14 GMT
Hi Sepiana,
Anybody can post a claim without providing any supporting evidence and then run away when challenged to provide evidence.
If anyone making such a claim needs to be taken seriously by me, then the onus is on them to provide supporting evidence/information to support their claim.
I, like everyone else, am under no obligation to blindly accept unsupported claims as fact. I'm sure you agree  .
As far as I am aware, exactly the same algorithms are run for both landscape and portrait images.
So in this case, how are results better if portrait and landscape images are processed in separate batches? No-one has provided any evidence that shows the claim to be true.
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Post by michelb on Jan 16, 2019 17:42:57 GMT
Bailey, We are drifting far away from the purpose of the original post. The danger is that very useful information (such as the issue is points vs pixels, for me) will be buried and not useful for beginners or expert users. I do understand the purpose of cats4jan and I think that such purpose would be best served in a new post. We all have a different background of technical and scientific data, little or advanced knowledge, we have different purposes and we are deeply influenced by the softwares we have used in the past and litterature we have read and studied from books or forums, yesterday or 15 years ago. In our community, everybody is trying hard to be useful: - to help beginners understand the basics
- to help beginners as well as experts to solve problems - to introduce new practical or scientific knowledge - to dispell a lot of misconceptions or outdated ideas - to discuss and share our own ideas and our history (and the history of the question, since a lot of the digital concepts were set even before modern printing.)
The current challenge for us is now to dispell wrong ideas as you are doing. Since those misconceptions are deeply entrenched in today's digital culture, we'll have to debate with so-called experts as well to help beginners to start on good tracks. There are a few themes along with this one (cropping, resizing, resampling) which can't be explained and discussed in a single post or even a single discussion. The main issue is that we are using the same words with different meanings, in different contexts and for different purposes.
My suggestion would be to start a new discussion about the word "resolution". I have too much to say about it myself, so I am sure that there are both expert / experienced users and teachers here to deal with all sides of the resolution issues. Ready for the challenge?
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Post by Sepiana on Jan 16, 2019 17:54:06 GMT
Bailey, We are drifting far away from the purpose of the original post. The danger is that very useful information (such as the issue is points vs pixels, for me) will be buried and not useful for beginners or expert users.
My suggestion would be to start a new discussion about the word "resolution".
I have too much to say about it myself, so I am sure that there are both expert / experienced users and teachers here to deal with all sides of the resolution issues.
Michel, thanks for your input! As a matter of fact, I was already planning to split this thread.
Done! See . . . Resolution Issues
And here is the purpose of the OP . . .
I have two photos, one straight from the camera and the other has been cropped (say to about two-thirds of its original size). I use the Text tool to put a label onto each photo, using the same font type and size. But when I view the saved jpg photos the label on the cropped photo appears larger than on the other one . . .
So, is there a way to create labels which will be the same size on photos, whether they are cropped or not?
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Post by Bailey on Jan 16, 2019 21:23:13 GMT
The current challenge for us is now to dispell wrong ideas as you are doing. That is exactly why I pointed out that Sepiana's claim that batch processing portrait and landscape images separately will give better results is not true. I posted why it is not true and asked her why she believes it is as anyone is entitled to. I believe I won't get an answer because her claim is clearly not true. |
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