redsanders
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Post by redsanders on Apr 18, 2019 15:32:33 GMT
I've just moved up to Photoshop Elements 2019 from PSE 14. I had not really used Organizer when using PSE 14, but having read the raves about 2019's version, I decided it was time to start using it. It took almost 2 weeks for Organizer to finish building its Catalog. The media count shows more than 85,000 items in the Catalog.
I continue to work on identifying "UnNamed" people. I'm experiencing crashes to my system if I work in Organizer for a while. The program either closes, locks up, or even worse, locks up my computer. In hopes of reducing or eliminating crashes, I've used Organizer's Catalog Manager to move my Catalog off the C:/ drive to another internal drive (of which there is ample free space) and to Optimize the Catalog. I also ran Organizer’s Catalog Repair utility. Just grasping for solutions, I also updated the driver for my display adapter.
The only success that I've had is to use Windows Task Manager to monitor the use of memory by Organizer. As I work on work on UnNamed People, Organizer's use of memory slowly climbs. Pausing and hoping that Organizer will release some of the memory seems to have no effect. I've learned from others' posts in Adobe forums that they are experiencing the same problem. They have learned that when Organizer's memory usage climbs up to the 50% to 70% range, it's best to exit Organizer, and then start it again.
I have left the memory allocation to PSE and to Organizer at the default value, which given that I have 16 GB of RAM, I would think is enough.
Anyway, just sharing in case others experience this problem with Organizer, and in hopes that someone has a better solution than I.
Windows 10, Intel Core i7, 5820K CPU @ 3.30 GHz, 16GB RAM,
(I've posted this observation in the Adobe Forum on PSE, and got some advice as to how to possibly minimize this problem, but received no solution.)
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Post by michelb on Apr 18, 2019 16:27:32 GMT
Hi redsanders,
Here is the link to your post in the Adobe Elements forum:
In my view, you got serious answers to your question from two known and expert users with similar configs and needs as yours. I did not want to answer myself, because I think the right question is not if PSE 2019 is a memory hog, it's if Face recognition and (perhaps) smart tagging are memory (or hardware resources) hogs. I don't use face recognition and never will, even if it were efficient. Totally useless for me (I have always taken great care to tag and organize persons, not faces). I understand that a number of users with a big library without any people tagging do want to process all their photos with the help of the face tagging process, but is it realistic?
Face recognition, especially for big libraries (above 50 000 items) is indeed a huge job, and even with a lot of RAM, you may require weeks to get it done. After the initial indexing, reports are that things go much better. But really, face recognition is extremely heavy for your hardware (not only memory). Smart tagging and other automatic background tasks are another matter. PSE 2019 memory management has been seriously changed in the hope of better management of the background tasks. It's obviously not perfect, and I would not be surprised if there are some features or situations in which you get memory leaks...
What is striking when following the Elements and Feedback forum, is that complaints about slowness and memory usage are relatively rare and they appear mostly on big libraries on good configs. That was already true for the previous versions. The system requirements now recommend 8 GB instead of the minimum 4 GB. We discussed the issue in this forum when PSE 2019 was issued, but we did not get more feedback afterwards. My own experience is that I am very happy with the speed PSE 2019 on my 8 GB PC, less so with my secondary 6 GB one (without face recognition). I have tested smart tagging, which has merits and does not slow down my workflow, but I finally disabled all automatic background tasks.
I hope many other users in this forum will comment about the issue, whether they use PSE or Lightroom.
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Post by Sepiana on Apr 18, 2019 16:34:26 GMT
Hi redsanders, welcome to PSE&M! Glad to have you aboard.
One of our members, srmoment , did have somewhat similar problems. She shared with us what worked for her.
www.photoshopelementsandmore.com/thread/5282/photoshop-elements-2019-slow
I also have PSE 2019 (two computers, 16 GB RAM, Windows 7/Windows 10). I am not having any problems with the Organizer.
EDIT: I forgot to mention! I don't use Face Recognition.
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redsanders
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Post by redsanders on Apr 18, 2019 22:56:13 GMT
Thanks Sepiana! I just discovered this very interesting forum and will certainly look for advice, techniques and ideas! Michelb, thanks for your timely response! Being new to Organizer, thank you for pointing out that my title is too broad, and that it is probably Face Recognition at the root of the problem of RAM usage. And I did get some serious responses in the Adobe forum, and I implemented their suggestions as best as I can. But I don't consider them answers. That is unless I do as you suggested and I not use a significant feature of Organizer. I've used and taught various computer applications, and I don't remember one in which I had to warn others that although xyz is a feature of a program, I advise you not to use it. Especially on a beefed up computer! If Face Recognition is indeed a limitation of Organizer, then I would expect Adobe to warn users of this limitation - and I have yet to find such a warning. Maybe I've missed it. Again, being new to Organizer I was and am seeking help in avoiding the unusual use of RAM by Organizer. I believe that all such forums as this one and Adobe's is to seek answers as to how to solve such problem, not avoid it. Thus my post. I guess that comes from being a old science, math and technology teacher. Contrary to your evaluation of Facial Recognition as being totally useless for you, I sincerely hope that it will be of great help to me! I am a self-appointed family historian. I continue to gather documents, letters, photos (prints and digital), videos, etc. from 5 generations of my family. (Hopefully you can see a shot of my work area that I've attempted to embed. Those boxes are stuffed with family photos that I'm still organizing before I scan them.) While my mother was a prolific generator of photos from the 1930's - 1950's, her total volume is dwarfed by what I have shot myself (videos & photos over 40+ years) and what I have received from my siblings, our children and now our grandchildren - we have 19, and they all have phones! Analog cameras and digital cameras and phones are both a boon and a bane when it comes to the generation and organization of photos and videos. Being a rainy day today, I happily continued my work on trying to put some organization and identification to hundreds, maybe thousands of photos I've received from just one grandchild (we have 19). She just had her second child, and gleefully uses both her camera and phone to generate photos daily. As you know, the metadata on digital photos reveals the time and day a photo was created, but doesn't distinguish photos of her family, her dogs, items from her hobbies, interesting things in the environment (my influence, I hope), friends, etc., etc. There's no geotag. And of course, she creates some videos with her phone too! A couple of weeks ago, I received 26 VHS tapes to digitize from a granddaughter-in-law that were made during her childhood. (She has 2 children and a phone too!) She is very excited about viewing them for the first time after I have captured them and cleaned them up with Premiere Elements. Some of the tapes have dates embedded, some the cases have labels, most have neither. And of course, there's not even metadata to work with in them. Ditto some very old 8mm tapes that my father-in-law made of my wife's family. Now that's FUN working with those old brittle, faded, Scotch tape spliced tapes! So, I continually and happily work with an overwhelming amount of raw materials and I'm looking for ANYTHING that can be a tool of organization. I'm sincerely hoping facial recognition will be one of those tools! Maybe not. I've yet to edit my profile to indicate that I'm very much open to feedback. Will do that shortly.
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Post by bricksmom on Apr 23, 2019 15:11:15 GMT
Hi Redsanders We are in the same boat. I too recently upgraded from 14 to 2019 and decided to finally take advantage of the organizer. I have had the same issue with the facial recognition as you - I have 16gb RAM and 50k pics on the database it is working on. What I ended up doing was turning off the recognition while I am doing things in the application. When I am done I turn it back on. For example last night I was working in there. When I was done I turned it back on. I will check memory and system use when I get home from work - if it is getting too high I will turn off the app, confirm all processes are gone (sometimes one hangs on and I have to manually terminate it) then restart the app and let it chew away some more. It has take a few weeks, but it is finally up to 95% - and since it only works when I am not using the system I am not bothered by system slowdowns. I too am the family resource for pictures - my oldest pic is from 1930
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redsanders
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Post by redsanders on Apr 24, 2019 14:26:05 GMT
Hi Bricksmom,
Sounds like a good strategy...I guess we'll just have to keep plugging along and hope that this issue is eventually addressed by Adobe. If you discover anything new, please post. As the old saying goes, misery loves company!
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