Save in Version Set with Original - option is greyed out

ceej
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Save in Version Set with Original - option is greyed out Apr 19, 2020 23:50:44 GMT

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Post by ceej on Apr 19, 2020 23:50:44 GMT

I had a group of trip photos that I took in a folder on my computer disk named Farm_Photos and imported them into PSE.

Some days and weeks later I got photos from some other people on that same trip. I put them in sub-folders so that I had this file structure:

Farm_Photos (containing my photos)

from_K (containing K's photos, etc)

from_L

from_R

from-T

I subsequently imported each of those sub folders into PSE, each by themself. From within PSE in folder view I could see that same structure as above. I could click on each folder independently to see AND EDIT the files in that folder. This is something that I have done many times before.

Several years later I went back to look at this group of files in more detail. For a variety of reasons I decided that I now wanted all of the files in a single folder. So I used the folder view to select the files in folder 'from_T' and used the 'Move' command to move those files into Farm_Photos. I did this with each of the other sub-folders until all of the files were in Farm_Photos. I checked several times for any missing files (in case something came 'unstuck'). At the end, I deleted all of the sub-folders. Everything seemed fine.

Now it turns out that if select one of my original files and use the Elements Editor to make changes, when I try to save my changes the checkbox to save the edited photo in a version set is greyed out! The correct file name is present, and if I just try to save, I'm told that the file already exists and asked if I want to replace it. I can 'save as Copy', which automatically adds "-Copy" to the filename. I can add "_edited-1" manually and save the file.

HOWEVER, if I select any of the other files in the folder (which had been in the 'from_' files), those edit without any problem! And I have no problem editing and saving a file from any other folder in the catalog. Only the files in the original folder before the move operations.

The file path is shown correctly for any of those files, both in organizer and in editor. The files are all jpg; no layers are involved.

Any ideas? Anyone heard of anything like this? It would seem that organizer is not sending the correct information about these files to the editor. Something is causing the editor to grey out that option.

I am about to try using PSE to move all of my original files out of that folder and into another folder to see if that changes how they are treated when sent to the editor. If they work OK then I'd send them all back. [Perhaps instead I will just do it with a single file first!]

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Yes Indeed! I selected a file and moved it to another folder (a new sub-folder that I created as part of the move operation). That folder appeared in the folder list. I highlighted it, selected the newly moved photo, and clicked on Editor. I made changes in the editor, selected save, and the save panel opened with Save in Version Set with Original checked and the file name appended with "_edited-1".

I cancelled the operation, closed the file and returned to the organizer. There I selected the file in the sub-folder and Moved it back to the main folder with all the other files. When I edited it and tried to save it, Save in Version Set with Original checked and the file name appended with "_edited-1".

So I guess I have a 'fix'. But I was certainly perplexed about what happened.

Last Edit: Apr 20, 2020 0:16:46 GMT by ceej: More Information

BuckSkin
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Save in Version Set with Original - option is greyed out Apr 20, 2020 6:45:51 GMT

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Post by BuckSkin on Apr 20, 2020 6:45:51 GMT

Anything to do with The Organizer and "Catalog" has, is, and probably always will be problematic.
That being said, I was going to suggest that you use Elements to rename the original folder = just add a letter or symbol is enough, then make a new folder with the name you want and move all the files to there = sort of fool Elements into thinking it has never seen that folder before.

One big gripe I have with Elements and folders is that Elements will put a "lock" on the last folder that I save anything to such that I cannot rename, move, or delete that folder until I save a file from Elements to somewhere else; this can get a lot more annoying than it sounds.

In your situation, did you restart the machine and see if that changed anything ?
Also, deleting the "Preferences" file would probably fix it as well.

Elements 7 ~~~ 64-bit Windows 7

On a poverty-level Kentucky budget, a 24-exposure roll of film would have two Christmases and a summer vacation on it and we might have to wait another six months before being able to afford developing the film.
I still have trouble remembering that it doesn't cost anything to take thousands of pictures; it just almost seems impossible to be true.

michelb
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Save in Version Set with Original - option is greyed out Apr 21, 2020 14:36:54 GMT

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Post by michelb on Apr 21, 2020 14:36:54 GMT

Apr 20, 2020 6:45:51 GMT BuckSkin said:

Anything to do with The Organizer and "Catalog" has, is, and probably always will be problematic.

Organizing (in real life) can always be problematic

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I'd rather say:
Anything to do with The Organizer (catalogs) and "folders" at the same time is generally (always???) problematic.

I don't have the answer for this version set AND folder reorganization issue.
I even doubt the version set issue is specific to folders changes.

In my experience with version sets, I have found in rare cases that the ability to create them did not work, but I have not found why, and I doubt that was related to folders.
If I understand well, apart from the ability to create version sets, the reorganization process worked well and did not create disconnections or such issues.
Versions sets are implemented like stacks. The only way to create them is to save a photo with the option. You can't create them after the file is saved with another name, but you can always stack them instead. Not a big difference for visual organization. For instance, say you have to import batches of files with their different versions. You can do a visual search to stack original and versions. However, you can edit a raw file, save a psd/tiff version set, and then edit the psd/tiff and create another version set. I have a lot of files at the same time in a version set and in a stack. I even wonder how that can still work!

About using the organizer to move folders and files inside folders, there are tips and tricks, but the issues with such moves would also exist when moving from the explorer (not using the organizer).
- always make a backup before doing extensive moves
- move by small batches and control the result
- generally no issues when moving, renaming or deleting files of a single folder in the explorer, then immediately reconnecting.
- as suggested by BuckSkin, renaming a folder outside of the organizer can be used to select at the same time all the items in its subfolders. In the organizer, search missing files; add a common tag; rename the master folder back. In the organizer, select from the created tag.
- always beware of storing files or subfolders somewhere with the same filenames or subfolder names.

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Michel B.

Windows Win10- PSE6 -10 - 12.1,2019 to 2022 Elements+ - Faststone - Canon 20D Sigma 17/70mm. Canon 50/1.8 Tamron 90mm macro - Fuji X100S, Lumix TZ6.

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Save in Version Set with Original - option is greyed out

Post by ceej on Apr 19, 2020 23:50:44 GMT

Post by BuckSkin on Apr 20, 2020 6:45:51 GMT

Post by michelb on Apr 21, 2020 14:36:54 GMT