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Post by Sepiana on Oct 9, 2020 20:22:26 GMT
I have included the url of the African fish Eagle. This is the photo with the original background. You can see what I mean about the sky. If you look just to the left and above the left claw( the bird's right claw ,) between the body and the upright branch you will see wispy feathers. I literally spent hours trying to include them in the selection of the bird using a tiny brush with the refine edge tool. popcorn, Instead of using the selection technique (either on the eagle or on the sky), you could try a different technique -- layer blending mode + gradient.Check this tutorial. -- Photoshop Elements: Quick Colorless Sky ReplacementIn South Africa, the sky are mostly a washed out blue, not a cloud in sight. They tend to look grey in images. This is the kind of sky that PSE 2021>Guided Edit>Perfect Landscape can tackle and produce great results. Download the free 30-day trial and take this feature for a test drive.
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 9, 2020 20:41:58 GMT
Buckskin, I am a little lost, how can I change the sky colour without selecting the background? I would love to do as you suggest, no halo to worry about. What and where is the cloudy sky filter? The fishing must not be very good; that poor old eagle is as poor as a church mouse. Digital Light and Color has FREE Color Mechanic Pro that works very well. MV's Plugins has FREE Color Replacer that also works good. Both of these programs are plugins for Elements that are accessible in the Filter menu. The basic idea is you click the "eyedropper" on the color you want to change, then adjust the range of that color you want to change, and then choose the new color. If the color changer also changes something you don't want changed, just mask that portion out. As for clouds, FREE OnOne Effects Nine and also 10 have several cloud filters. Also, a whole host of FREE cloud filters can be found in a search. I make my own cloud filters in a most unusual way. I take a photo of a sky that I like, select it, and Edit > Define Pattern; it will then be available in your "Patterns", where you can resize it to your liking and adjust opacity and blend mode. One important aspect where most people miss the boat when replacing skies is how a sky appears as it gets closer to the horizon; try to find/create skies that have a clear, unobstructed, horizon. Of course, this is not a factor if the horizon is not in the picture.
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Post by popcorn on Oct 9, 2020 21:37:23 GMT
Thank you hmca, I would very happy for you to use the image and I will see if I can find anything on the web regarding Luminar 4. At last I have managed to get all the wispy feather and the sky!!! see attached. I hope that I will get more input from Buckskin on his method.
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Post by hmca on Oct 9, 2020 22:19:22 GMT
Let me begin by saying that you did an awesome job, popcorn! Here is a youtube video that you might find interesting as it focuses on sky replacement with luminar. And an additional video as to how to add your own skies with a link to some that are offered by the person presenting the video. This is one about adding your own skies. I will now see what I can do using the image that you included above. I agree that Buckskin's method sound interesting with the added bonus that it's free! Sepiana has also offered some good information.
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Post by hmca on Oct 9, 2020 23:02:29 GMT
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 9, 2020 23:24:39 GMT
I tried three different skies that were available in Luminar just to give you an idea of how it works..... Now that may be well worth some consideration ! I checked it out a while ago; and, if I was looking at the right thing, it said $67 for a single computer license. If I had $67, I would sit up with it; but, if I find four unidentified twenty-dollar bills wadded up on the ground, I just might be tempted to order that. Is it as "One Click" easy as they make it out to be ?
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Post by hmca on Oct 9, 2020 23:26:13 GMT
Just about, Buckskin. Why not just download the trial and give it a try?
It was the main reason I bought the program!
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 10, 2020 0:59:20 GMT
Just about, Buckskin. Why not just download the trial and give it a try? It was the main reason I bought the program! That is what I am afraid of; it is kind of like electricity and running water, I might get to thinking I can't do without it and upset my precariously balanced budget. Maybe I will talk to old Santy Clause....., but I hear that he has fallen on some pretty hard times himself.
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Post by hmca on Oct 10, 2020 1:45:25 GMT
I hear ya.....we have an expensive hobby and there is so much to tempt us out there!
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Post by Chris on Oct 10, 2020 7:55:31 GMT
Sepiana, thank you for posting the Alibony video from Karen Brokney. I remember seeing it many years ago and was disappointed when the Alibony site closed down. Its good to see that they are now available again on YouTube. I have bookmarked that page! The multiply blend mode and mask method would work well on the eagle image. www.youtube.com/channel/UCX7pQejDZTpq6ddlBhSSAygKind regards Chris
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Post by Chris on Oct 10, 2020 8:22:06 GMT
Popcorn, you did a great job on your image! Did you use BuckSkin's method by selecting the sky with the magic wand tool or use the multiply blend/mask method by Karen Brockney? I also did a test with Topaz Mask AI and it did a good job isolating the subject, but its not a one click solution like Luminar*. Something you might wish to look into is texture blending to create an artistic background. I think this kind of image would look very nice with a textured background. Here is a video explaining Matt Kloskowski texture blending method. He does offer a course, but you can enjoy the video and understand the technique without any obligation. Opacity v flow with Texture blending. mattk.com/texture/?mc_cid=2c0abd13c6&mc_eid=0659122f2cKind regards Chris *I did try the trial for Luminar but I had many compatibility problems with my PC PS you can download many free sky pictures from stock photo sharing sites: photoshopelementsandmore.com/thread/2076/stock-photos
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Post by popcorn on Oct 10, 2020 12:37:56 GMT
Hi All, Once again thank you for the help. I will check out the videos you have recommended.
I'm afraid I did the final edit by the seat of my pants, keeping Buckskin's suggestion to not cut out the Eagle but rather place the sky on the eagle. I started with the eagle image, I made a duplicate of the background layer and cloned out a branch. I made a selection of the dull sky using the magic wand, inverted it then spent a lot of time with refine edge and the selection brush tool with a tiny brush to get an accurate selection of the eagle. I did not attempt to select the individual fine feathers that had cause me such problems on my previous selection, I just included them in the selection, background and all. I then saved lection.
I opened the replacement sky image and dragged it on top of the Eagle image. Using the free transform tool I manipulated the new sky to get the effect I wanted and to fit it into the image.
I added a white mask to the sky layer and roughly painted in black on the mask to reveal the Eagle below including the problem feathers. I then reloaded the saved eagle mask and painted white on the mask around the selection edge to reveal the sky up to the edge of the selection. Because the original sky was dull dirty white the area around the fine feathers blended into the cloud, leaving the original very fine feathers visible. Pretty Heath Robinson but it worked.
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 10, 2020 19:43:59 GMT
Hi All, Once again thank you for the help. I will check out the videos you have recommended. I'm afraid I did the final edit by the seat of my pants, keeping Buckskin's suggestion to not cut out the Eagle but rather place the sky on the eagle. I started with the eagle image, I made a duplicate of the background layer and cloned out a branch. I made a selection of the dull sky using the magic wand, inverted it then spent a lot of time with refine edge and the selection brush tool with a tiny brush to get an accurate selection of the eagle. I did not attempt to select the individual fine feathers that had cause me such problems on my previous selection, I just included them in the selection, background and all. I then saved lection. I opened the replacement sky image and dragged it on top of the Eagle image. Using the free transform tool I manipulated the new sky to get the effect I wanted and to fit it into the image. I added a white mask to the sky layer and roughly painted in black on the mask to reveal the Eagle below including the problem feathers. I then reloaded the saved eagle mask and painted white on the mask around the selection edge to reveal the sky up to the edge of the selection. Because the original sky was dull dirty white the area around the fine feathers blended into the cloud, leaving the original very fine feathers visible. Pretty Heath Robinson but it worked. You did an excellent job and I picked up a few ideas from your description that I hope to remember whenever I need them. A person needs to know how to do this stuff manually; but, that Luminar program hmca informed us about would sure be a time saver.
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Post by BuckSkin on Oct 10, 2020 19:51:53 GMT
*I did try the trial for Luminar but I had many compatibility problems with my PC Please expand on this machine incompatibility. I have a pretty strong solid machine, but there are still programs out there that don't work so well for me. My machine takes to resource-hungry DxO PL2 like it was made for it; and yet, on every machine we have, both OnOne Perfect Effects 9 and 10 will crash on saving almost with every image (it makes no sense at all; it will safely save the finished image and then crash); the problem is bad enough to prevent me from getting very interested in spending money for any other OnOne programs.
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Post by Chris on Oct 10, 2020 20:14:01 GMT
Buckskin, I can't remember all the details but from what I remember, I found Luminar to be very buggy on my PC. It would be slow, hang and crash and the tools were not very responsive. My PC specs are quite reasonable running Win 10 pro with an i7, 16 gigs of ram and a powerful graphics card. Luminar originally started as a Mac only programme and they are working hard to make it fully compatible for PC users. They offer a trial version you can check out. Many people love it, but it just didn't work properly for me.
Kind regards Chris
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