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Post by Inspeqtor on May 23, 2021 5:04:17 GMT
I just took some moon shots which I think look pretty decent SOOC (Straight Out Of Camera) but wishing I could help the focus a tad weee bit. I tried Unsharp Mask but I did not see it doing anything at all. Here is the full size image, then a crop of the area I would like to improve IF THAT IS POSSIBLE.   Thank you |
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Post by tourerjim on May 23, 2021 13:23:36 GMT
Hey Charles I've also got shots like this and found PSE Raw makes a pretty good job, maybe try little minus Vibrance and saturation and increase of sharpening.
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Post by Inspeqtor on May 23, 2021 14:18:57 GMT
Jim, Thank you for your suggestions. I do have the Raw file, but seldom use Raw in Elements. I tried your suggestion, and I do believe it may have helped some. Vibrance I use -20 and Saturation I also used -20. I did not find any Sharpening while in Raw so I used Unsharp Mask in Elements with the Amount at 50, Radius 10 and Thresh at 0  What do you think? |
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Post by Sepiana on May 23, 2021 14:31:36 GMT
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Post by Peterj on May 23, 2021 18:14:17 GMT
My experience is to use a less bright exposure on initial capture; use Topaz Denoise A!, add structure, dynamic contrast, set tonal values using On1 PR. (I'm pretty certain everything in PR is available in PSE + ACR)
On1 Photo Raw is available 3 ways >>> (1) 14 day free trial, (2) subscription $7.99 / month, (3) own $99.99
Term Translation (partial) ... maybe Sepiana can validate
Photo Raw PSE / ACR
Tonal Values ACR - black & white points
Structure ACR - clarity Dynamic Contrast 
I use luminosity masks very frequently when editing moon images
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Post by tourerjim on May 23, 2021 18:47:14 GMT
Jim, Thank you for your suggestions. I do have the Raw file, but seldom use Raw in Elements. I tried your suggestion, and I do believe it may have helped some. Vibrance I use -20 and Saturation I also used -20. I did not find any Sharpening while in Raw so I used Unsharp Mask in Elements with the Amount at 50, Radius 10 and Thresh at 0 What do you think? Maybe wee bit too much with Vibrance and Sats Charles, I'd suggest trying 10 to 15 1st then finish with the sharpen. |
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Post by Inspeqtor on May 24, 2021 0:22:02 GMT
Thank you Sepiana. Would I have gotten a better sharpening in Raw than I did in Elements Unsharpen Mask? |
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Post by Inspeqtor on May 24, 2021 1:43:26 GMT
I re-did the Raw file going to -12 on both Vib and Sat. On the Raw Sharpening I zoomed in on the area shown before and below, I went from -100 to 0 to +100 and did not see any change in the sharpening at all. Was I doing something wrong? I left that at 0 I did change the Exposure to -0.2 which I think does make it look a bit better.  This is on Flicker - Click on the filename (Moon Crop 05-22-2021) to go to Flickr and get it click again on Flickr image full size, scroll around with your mouse.  Moon Crop 05-22-2021 by inspeqtor, on Flickr |
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Post by BuckSkin on May 24, 2021 5:27:31 GMT
Try this for sharpening = High Pass Sharpening
Create a Merged-Visible/Stamp Visible layer at the top of your layer stack.
Go Filter > Other > High Pass
In the dialogue that appears, set the strength to 8.0 and Okay
This should make your image layer a blurred grey mess.
Select the Blend Mode for this layer = Hard Light
That should make the detail in your image razor sharp.
If a bit too much, lower the layer Opacity.
If not hardly enough, duplicate the High Pass layer (Control + J) ; if that makes it a bit much, lower the Opacity of the duplicate layer.
You will definitely be able to see the difference using this method.
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Post by Sepiana on May 24, 2021 6:11:56 GMT
Thank you Sepiana. Would I have gotten a better sharpening in Raw than I did in Elements Unsharpen Mask? Charles, I believe the problem you had with Unsharp Mask (not seeing results) was due to the fact that you applied the default settings. I used Unsharp Mask in Elements with the Amount at 50, Radius 10 and Thresh at 0 These settings need to be adjusted according to the image resolution. You may want to check the suggestions below; they were written for Elements 10 but will apply to your version of Elements. Improve Focus by Sharpening Images |
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Post by Inspeqtor on May 24, 2021 6:12:34 GMT
Try this for sharpening = High Pass Sharpening Create a Merged-Visible/Stamp Visible layer at the top of your layer stack. Go Filter > Other > High Pass In the dialogue that appears, set the strength to 8.0 and Okay This should make your image layer a blurred grey mess. Select the Blend Mode for this layer = Hard Light That should make the detail in your image razor sharp. If a bit too much, lower the layer Opacity. If not hardly enough, duplicate the High Pass layer (Control + J) ; if that makes it a bit much, lower the Opacity of the duplicate layer. You will definitely be able to see the difference using this method. Do I need to create the Merged-Visible/Stamp layer BEFORE I do the High Pass sharpening at a strength of 8? I have no idea what steps are needed to do that above step. I DO remember how to do a Blend Mode! YAY!! I think I can do everything else but I am not positive on that fact. Thank you, I will give this a try after I learn how to do the Merged Visible thingie.... |
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Post by Inspeqtor on May 24, 2021 6:16:28 GMT
Thank you Sepiana. Would I have gotten a better sharpening in Raw than I did in Elements Unsharpen Mask? Charles, I believe the problem you had with Unsharp Mask (not seeing results) was due to the fact that you applied the default settings. I used Unsharp Mask in Elements with the Amount at 50, Radius 10 and Thresh at 0 These settings need to be adjusted according to the image resolution. You may want to check the suggestions below; they were written for Elements 10 but will apply to your version of Elements. Improve Focus by Sharpening ImagesSepiana, Time for me to get to bed... will check this out tomorrow, Thank you. |
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Post by BuckSkin on May 24, 2021 8:18:31 GMT
To make a Merge Visible layer, make sure your top layer is active/selected --- in the Layer menu, click and HOLD Merge Visible then hold the Alt key before releasing the Merge Visible.
This should create a new layer that reflects all of your work up to that point.
If you only have a Background layer, you can dismiss the Merge Visible and simply duplicate the Background layer.
Later versions of Elements may even have a Stamp Visible command that does the same trick with a single click instead of having to click and hold while pressing the Alt key.
I hope my ramblings aren't confusing anyone; I never was any good at explaining things.
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Post by hmca on May 24, 2021 14:29:55 GMT
See if this article on High Pass sharpening, suggested by Buckskin, might be helpful to you, Charles. Written for PS, it works basically the same in PE. |
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Post by tourerjim on May 24, 2021 18:32:57 GMT
See if this article on High Pass sharpening, suggested by Buckskin, might be helpful to you, Charles. Written for PS, it works basically the same in PE. Aww forgot all about that one Helen, I've used it few times. |
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