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Post by BuckSkin on Dec 4, 2021 4:00:49 GMT
Okay, no expert but I was asked to weigh in about the metadata. First, let me say that the only file that will carry metadata into an image is the root/background file; anything else that is stacked on top will have shed all of it's metadata simply due to the fact that it is merely an image layer. If you wish to completely rid a jpeg file of metadata, the simplest easiest tool to do so (Windows only) is FREE FastStone Image Viewer: www.faststone.org/I highly suggest you make a copy of the image file before stripping the metadata; as, once it is gone, it is gone. In FastStone, browse to the image file (jpeg) just like you would in Explorer > with the image file highlighted/selected > go to the drop-down menu under "Tools" > and select "Remove jpeg Metadata" It will ask you if you are certain you want to do this; click Yes (or Okay); and, in the blink of an eye, every scrap of metadata will be stripped from the file. If you want to get even more serious, plus be able to read and review just what the data is, then ExifToolGUI will do the trick; go to paragraph 2. for the download link: exiftool.org/gui/Note: for whatever reason, there seems to be a bit of a problem with the ExifToolGUI link; I have the page opened on my machine at the very address I linked to, but when I test the link, I get an error; hopefully, it is just a temporary thing. FREE XnViewMP has the ability to view most types of metadata and also the ability to strip metadata from a file: www.xnview.com/en/I hope that helps. |
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Post by Tpgettys on Dec 4, 2021 4:18:05 GMT
Thank you very much BuckSkin ! Re: the exiftool link, since you can get to the relevant page yourself, maybe if you can copy the address into an Insert Quote or Insert Code block I will be able to get to it.
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Post by BuckSkin on Dec 4, 2021 4:27:10 GMT
Another really easy solution to the problem just popped into me head.
With your finished jpeg image file loaded in Elements, create a New Document of the exact same pixel dimensions.
It matters not what color you choose for this new document, as you are going to cover it with your jpeg creation.
In Elements, do Window > Images > Tile so that the two documents will display on the screen as tiles.
Click on the finished jpeg to make it active.
Mouse over to the layers stack and click/grab the layer of the finished jpeg --- keep the mouse clicked, thus holding the layer.
Drag it on top of the New Document tile, hold down the Shift key and drop the layer onto the New Document tile.
By holding the shift key when the layer was dropped, it should land squarely on top of the New Document; make sure that it did.
Expand the New Document to fill the Elements window.
It should now look exactly like your finished jpeg.
Flatten the image and save it as a jpeg.
What you just did was to strip away all metadata baggage because the original background layer is always the sole source of metadata within an image; layers carry absolutely no metadata whatsoever.
Since the created New Document has no metadata, when you dragged the finished jpeg layer onto the New Document, you effectively stripped away all data.
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Post by sjdodd on Dec 4, 2021 4:29:35 GMT
Thank you everyone! I have tried taking apart the psd file, saving sections into a png file, and then loading the parts together a few at a time. No success. Next, I will take apart what is in the png files and look at them more closely. I can rebuild the project from scratch and see what happens. With digital scrapbooking, there are many elements that are pulled in. There are clipping masks and various overlays. I do hope I can figure this out since it is my Christmas card.
Your information about replacing metadata fields, exiftool, etc. is foreign to me so if I can avoid it by re-creating the file one element at a time I'd be more comfortable. Funny thing, I created 4 sample cards, so I could use one of the others but being the persistent person I am, I'd like to learn something from this.
Regarding creating a png of the whole card and then saving that back again as a jpg - I tried that, no luck.
Regarding Bridge, are you suggesting I take the large jpg file and open it in Bridge and do something there? I've only used Bridge as a file viewer.
"Helen's Gallery" - I don't think its your background paper. I use this all the time, in fact, just completed a 12-month 8.5 x 11 calendar. There was a ton of information in those files and I did not have any problem. I am beyond perplexed. And I do need to print these!
I appreciate your input! Thank you! So many people willing to make the time to help!
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Post by Tpgettys on Dec 4, 2021 4:38:16 GMT
I appreciate your input! Thank you! So many people willing to make the time to help! Hi again Sandy. Being helpful is one of the great characteristics of our forum. You are obviously a very curious and knowledgeable enthusiast so your involvement here is most welcome. I am hoping the suggestion BuckSkin gave in the previous post works for you. Let us know! |
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 4, 2021 4:40:58 GMT
If you want to get even more serious, plus be able to read and review just what the data is, then ExifToolGUI will do the trick; go to paragraph 2. for the download link: exiftool.org/gui/Note: for whatever reason, there seems to be a bit of a problem with the ExifToolGUI link; I have the page opened on my machine at the very address I linked to, but when I test the link, I get an error; hopefully, it is just a temporary thing. BuckSkin, That link doesn't work for me either. I did some searching around and found this one. Is is it? ExiftoolGui |
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Post by Tpgettys on Dec 4, 2021 4:47:55 GMT
That link doesn't work for me either. I did some searching around and found this one. Is is it? ExiftoolGui
That looks like it should work, but when I click the link under the How to extract section I get an URL not found error.
Hopefully the suggestion BuckSkin gave will solve the problem more easily. |
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Post by BuckSkin on Dec 4, 2021 4:48:30 GMT
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Post by BuckSkin on Dec 4, 2021 4:54:49 GMT
With digital scrapbooking, there are many elements that are pulled in. What is the size in mb of your original background file ? Is it huge like your finished file ? If not, then an overburden of metadata is not your problem. |
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Post by Sepiana on Dec 4, 2021 5:10:36 GMT
Regarding Bridge, are you suggesting I take the large jpg file and open it in Bridge and do something there? I've only used Bridge as a file viewer. Hi Sandy, welcome to PSE&M! Glad to have you here. I believe you are referring to this suggestion by michelb. There are indeed a number of programs to delete that metadata overweight (based on exiftool), including 'Save for web'.
I have to check if Bridge can do that.
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I just checked with Bridge: you can replace metadata fields a bit like exiftool, so, deleting the unwanted sections should be easy.
Remember that you can use Bridge for free with Elements. Yes, Michel is correct (and he is better qualified to elaborate on it). I also have Bridge. You can use it to edit metadata (replace, remove, add, etc.). Work with metadata in Adobe Bridge (Help file) |
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Post by cats4jan on Dec 4, 2021 6:26:49 GMT
I can't add anything to this discussion because I don't know anything about the technicalities of file saving, but I thought I'd share a sample from my files. In looking over the file sizes of my psd's and jpg's, I was amazed at how huge the scrapbooking psd's were. The jpg's are large, too. I use photos from cameras and phones and texts on my layouts. I do nothing to reduce file size when I use them. I use purchased scrapbook kits with pngs, jpgs, and psd's (layered templates) and I'm sure those file sizes are all 'over the map' because there are so many different artists creating the kits. I save the jpg's I make from my psd's in highest resolution - and have never looked at file size because I have enough hard drive space that file size is irrelevant, but I have found this discussion very interesting. When I sent 50 jpg's to Printique to get a book printed, I did nothing to reduce the size of the files and they accepted all of them just as provided. This psd was created in 2016 and it was saved as a jpg this evening. Two different versions of PSE were used. |
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Post by BuckSkin on Dec 4, 2021 6:59:50 GMT
Okay, a possible explanation for the broken ExifToolGUI links:
ExifToolGUI is hosted on the actual ExifTool site.
When I inquired about the broken links on another site where a bunch of guys use both programs a lot, I got this response from a member there:
"On Sourceforge there is a post that the site went down just when Phil of exiftool went on vacation. They said he’s back Saturday or Sunday, so it should be back up then."
So, hopefully it is just as the guy says, a vacation issue that will be resolved once the vacation is over.
I am sure you can download the program from either of the other sources I linked to if you need it before then.
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Post by sjdodd on Dec 4, 2021 15:35:49 GMT
Buckskin - I am going to try this first thing in the morning! Seems almost too easy to be true!
Stay tuned!
Sandy
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Post by sjdodd on Dec 4, 2021 15:39:29 GMT
Buckskin - I was so happy to try your suggestion - place the large jpg into a new file on top of a layer. I did that, but the end result was still a jpg saved at 47.4 mb. I'm off to try one other thing...
I so appreciate all of the help I am receiving! Like I mentioned, I have done digital scrapbooking for years, never run into this problem! But I am a persistent one!
Sandy
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Post by michelb on Dec 4, 2021 18:57:12 GMT
Sandy, since we can't have a look at your mystery file, maybe you could try another workflow. My suggestion is to save your original psd as pdf, forgetting the default 'save as' Photoshop pdf format and instead, using the PRINT option to 'print' as a true pdf file. When you print, you specify a virtual pdf printer like 'print to pdf' in Windows.
Which pdf size? Then you can open that pdf in the Elements editor; you start with the usual conversion from printing format to photo format by specifying the pixels dimensions. You now can save the result as jpeg at quality 10. Wich jpeg size?
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