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Post by sjdodd on Dec 2, 2021 20:05:27 GMT
Good afternoon - so glad I found this forum. I am a digital scrapbooker who for years has routinely created a 12-month calendar and a 5x7 Christmas card. I create in PSE21 and save as jpg to upload to the site I print from.
My most recent project, a 5x7 card, saved as a HUGE jpg file. When using the same format last year, the jpg file size was 1.2 MB. This year, it is 48.6 MB. Whatttt? The photo is not RAW and there is nothing seemingly complicated in the file. I flattened the file before saving as a jpg.
What am I missing? What should I be looking for in this file? Honestly, even my 8.5 x 12 calendar pages with way more on them were still under 2 MB.
I'm afraid to save the file too small because it is a holiday card and I don't want to lose the clarity in the photo - and even when I save to the smallest option, it is still way over 2 MB. The site I load to requires an under 2MB upload.
Thanks for any insight!
Sandy
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Post by cats4jan on Dec 2, 2021 20:17:05 GMT
Sandy, I can't help you - just wanted to say Welcome. There are many experts here - your answer is just around the corner.
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Post by fotofrank on Dec 2, 2021 20:46:11 GMT
Hi Sandy Can you go to  And provide a screen shot of this  My guess is that you resize a large file to make it fit and now the document is thousands of dpi and not 300 or less. |
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Post by sjdodd on Dec 3, 2021 1:30:57 GMT
Thank you - here is the screen shot  |
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Post by sjdodd on Dec 3, 2021 2:25:07 GMT
I should add, I have been playing around with files that I know worked in previous years. I saved those files with my new work at various times, adding first the photo, then the words, etc. Everything was saving fine, at 1.7 mb until I made my final save - then it saved at 46.9 mb. So basically I've made no progress!
Another thing - when I save the file as a png file, it is 62.9 mb.
When I open a file that I created 2 years ago, the psd file size is 29.9 mb and when I save it as a jpg it is 1.6 mb.
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Post by Tpgettys on Dec 3, 2021 4:51:58 GMT
Thank you - here is the screen shot
Hi Sandy, I'm glad you found our forum too! We have some very talented scrapbookers here, so I hope you will find a home here.
From your screen shot, 1575x2175 = 3,425,625 pixels, and since there are 3 bytes/pixel the reported file size of 9.8 Megabytes makes sense to me. If you were to save that file as a JPG, its size will should be less than that because of the compression. If you were to save it as a PSD its size will be rather larger. I guess I am as perplexed as you by the sizes you are seeing!
Did you by any chance upgrade your Elements recently? I don't know what that would have to do with it, but we need to identify what may have changed.
Anyway though, welcome to PSE&More!
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Post by pixelmaker on Dec 3, 2021 6:29:07 GMT
Hi Sandy,
I have seen this issue before. In my case it was caused by some third party images I had imported into my psd image file to make a composite. Some of the 3rd party image files had a huge amount of metadata in the exif data which was also sent out to the jpeg I eventually saved to. Have you imported images from elsewhere into your cards project?
The way I got around it was to remove the excess "baggage" in the saved jpeg's exif using exiftool.
Hope this helps in your case.
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Post by sjdodd on Dec 3, 2021 13:39:02 GMT
Thank you for weighing in. I have been looking at various forums and can see that this problem has happened before and it was a known glitch in PSE - the post was from several years ago. I don't know what has been recently updated, whether my Mac updated or an auto update in PSE. I'm tempted to delete PSE and download again, not sure if I can do this.
I have also ready where there may be megadata in a file that causes this. I am tending to think that there is something in the file because the file I used in previous years seems to save as a jpg fine.
Hoping to get more input and hoping to have more time to figure this out!
Thanks again!
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Post by hmca on Dec 3, 2021 18:27:58 GMT
Sandy I just ran into a similar problem creating a page for Christmas Traditions. I suspect the problem may be the background paper that I used but I'm not sure. Not sure if this is any help to you. u.cubeupload.com/HMCA/ScreenShot20211203at.png |
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Post by Tpgettys on Dec 3, 2021 18:59:34 GMT
Sandy I just ran into a similar problem creating a page for Christmas Traditions.
I am not understanding what the problem is; what is is the problem symptom, precisely? You screen shot shows the file size as 12 megabytes, so if you save it as a jpeg it should be smaller than that.
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Post by hmca on Dec 3, 2021 19:01:38 GMT
The file is too large. I suspect that may be due to png's, background paper etc.? that I downloaded to use to create my page. I have never run into this before.
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Post by Tpgettys on Dec 3, 2021 19:08:44 GMT
The file is too large. I suspect that may be due to png's, background paper etc.? that I downloaded to use to create my page. I have never run into this before.
When you say the file is too large, are you meaning the PSD file, or when you save it as a jpeg?
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Post by hmca on Dec 3, 2021 19:13:52 GMT
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Post by Tpgettys on Dec 3, 2021 19:23:46 GMT
Ok, thanks. It sometimes takes a bit to get this old brain on board. I will ask BuckSkin if he can direct me to the program he has used to get at the metadata. From what has been said that sounds like what is the source of the filesize problem. |
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Post by michelb on Dec 3, 2021 19:47:33 GMT
Thank you for weighing in. I have been looking at various forums and can see that this problem has happened before and it was a known glitch in PSE - the post was from several years ago. I don't know what has been recently updated, whether my Mac updated or an auto update in PSE. I'm tempted to delete PSE and download again, not sure if I can do this. I have also ready where there may be megadata in a file that causes this. I am tending to think that there is something in the file because the file I used in previous years seems to save as a jpg fine. Hoping to get more input and hoping to have more time to figure this out! Thanks again! I don't believe at all it was a glitch in PSE. We get many very simillar posts regularly which nearly always result in the user having used wrong units. However I believe that it is still a real mystery linked to the jpeg format and the metadata section. I agree with all those who suspect the metadata header to be a likely explanation. There are indeed a number of programs to delete that metadata overweight (based on exiftool), including 'Save for web'. It would be easy to open and save the same jpeg from different simple editors. Saving to a png file would lose the metadata, and saving that again to jpeg should give a 'normal' jpeg size. I have to check if Bridge can do that.
What could be saved in the metadata header with that huge size? Color profiles? Clipping paths (yes, jpeg can store them even if it can't save layers)? Really, I don't have a clue. What is true is that the compression algorithms don't work well with some textures and noise in general. Using maximum quality jpeg often produce bigger sizes than the original?
Edit: I just checked with Bridge: you can replace metadata fields a bit like exiftool, so, deleting the unwanted sections should be easy. I also noticed that one possible reason was having embedded audio/video files in the jpeg format. Remember that you can use Bridge for free with Elements.
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