popcorn
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Post by popcorn on Mar 13, 2022 21:51:49 GMT
Hi All,
I have a problem image
The photo was taken indoors using a flash n 2016.
My wife took the photo with her new camera with on camera flash.
It is a photo with sentimental value and can't be replaced.
It has both a colour cast and a flash shadow that need to be removed.
If I do the colour correction first and then attempt to remove the flash shadow, the clone picks up the original colours, so cloning does not match the colour corrected background.
If I do the flash removal first and then colour correct, the flash shadow shows through in a bright blue.
I have no idea where the blue comes from?
Now that I am writing this I wonder if I unchecked "sample all layers" whether it may work.
We are due for "load shedding" on our power supply so I won't be able to try tonight so I am posting this thread anyway.
If it does not solve the problem possibly some one on the forum can supply the solution.
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Post by BuckSkin on Mar 14, 2022 1:03:46 GMT
Now that I am writing this I wonder if I unchecked "sample all layers" whether it may work. Of course you already know to NOT work on your original; do your work on copies. I suspect "Sample All Layers" may very well be the culprit here; however, if you unselect the option, then that opens another can of worms..... So, were it me, I would first remove the color cast and then SAVE that image; - then, open that new image and get rid of the shadow. I can manage to accomplish what you are doing in the layer stack; however, what I just suggested is sure fire. |
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Post by Sepiana on Mar 14, 2022 1:55:33 GMT
I have a problem image It has both a colour cast and a flash shadow that need to be removed. If I do the colour correction first and then attempt to remove the flash shadow, the clone picks up the original colours, so cloning does not match the colour corrected background. If I do the flash removal first and then colour correct, the flash shadow shows through in a bright blue. Now that I am writing this I wonder if I unchecked "sample all layers" whether it may work. Hi popcorn, I'm going out on a limb here and suggest that the Sample All Layers option of the Clone Stamp tool is a variable to consider. When Sample All Layers is checked, Elements will sample from all the visible layers in the area where you set the source point. When Sample All Layers is unchecked, Elements will sample only from the active layer. You could also try using the Clone Overlay option. For information on this option, see . . . The Overlay Option of the Clone Stamp Tool. |
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popcorn
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Post by popcorn on Mar 14, 2022 8:22:39 GMT
Thank you both.
As soon as I have finished my day job, I will give your suggestions a try.
Buckskin, I assume that I need to flatten the first image with the colour correction before I Save it?
I am puzzled by the way the removed flash shadow comes through as bright blue on the image after colour correction.
There is no bright blue in the original image at all?
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Post by BuckSkin on Mar 14, 2022 8:57:12 GMT
I assume that I need to flatten the first image with the colour correction before I Save it? I would save it twice; first as an unflattened PSD and than as a flattened jpeg; the flattened jpeg is the one I would do the next step on. The reason to save the layered PSD is in case you want to revisit it for whatever reason. My suggestion is sort of an experiment to see if we can work around the problem you are having. |
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Post by entropy on Mar 14, 2022 19:24:25 GMT
It would help if you post the image for us to look at. If the image is of a sensitive nature, you can blur the face(s) or any other object,
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popcorn
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Post by popcorn on Mar 14, 2022 20:14:59 GMT
Hi entropy, Here is the image after I have processed in ACR including a crop & straighten. Then imported into Editor, removed a lamp growing out of my son's head and other small enhancements. I have saved it as a high quality jpg. I started off from a fairly small jpg and resized it using PhotoZoom Pro 6 from Benevista.  |
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popcorn
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Post by popcorn on Mar 14, 2022 20:51:51 GMT
I relooked at the image I posted earlier, I should have posted this one which is the jpg exported into the Editor after processing in ACR, no editing in Elements Editor.  |
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Post by pontiac1940 on Mar 14, 2022 21:01:52 GMT
Popcorn
I opened the first image and (on the assumption that the closet doors are white), "removed color cast" two times and it warmed the image slightly...looks better to my eye.
Now it would be possible to remove the hair shadow by cloning.
Clive
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Post by Sepiana on Mar 14, 2022 21:16:11 GMT
I relooked at the image I posted earlier, I should have posted this one which is the jpg exported into the Editor after processing in ACR, no editing in Elements Editor. Hi popcorn, To remove the color cast in this image, I would suggest using the Average Blur filter (Filter > Blur > Average). We have a thread discussing this technique. Check the tutorial Tpgettys posted. You will also find references to running actions (.atn files) for the removal of color cast. Color cast removal actionNote: The two suggested actions work just fine in PSE 2018 (the version you have). I also have PSE 2018; I tested them. You could also try this variation of the Average Blur filter technique. 1. Duplicate the background layer (Ctrl-J). 2. Apply the Average Blur filter. 3. Change the layer blending mode to Color. 4. Invert the layer (Ctrl-I). 5. Reduce the layer Opacity to about 50%. |
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Post by hmca on Mar 14, 2022 21:38:35 GMT
Popcorn If you would like members to be able to download your image to work on and share their results, I will move your post to Member to Member Advice bd.
Have you tried auto white balance? That would be my first suggestion. Oh and this was my quick attempt using your posted image and using auto white balance and a touch-up to remove the glare on the young man's forehead.  |
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popcorn
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Post by popcorn on Mar 15, 2022 19:42:28 GMT
Hi Sepiana, You previously posted a link to an action to remove colour cast at coffeeshop.com, www.thecoffeeshopblog.com/2013/10/coffeeshop-color-cast-killer.htmlI followed the link to the blog. Rita has set out a tutorial to use the action. I opened her "Freebie" tab and downloaded the "colour cast killer" action. It downloaded a Zip file. I unzipped the file which opened as a folder, but the folder was empty! I am sure I am missing something. Can possibly suggest where I have gone wrong? She has loads of freebie actions on the Tab, absolutely amazing.!!! |
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Post by Sepiana on Mar 15, 2022 20:09:11 GMT
Hi Sepiana, You previously posted a link to an action to remove colour cast at coffeeshop.com, www.thecoffeeshopblog.com/2013/10/coffeeshop-color-cast-killer.htmlI opened her "Freebie" tab and downloaded the "colour cast killer" action. It downloaded a Zip file. I unzipped the file which opened as a folder, but the folder was empty! I am sure I am missing something. Can possibly suggest where I have gone wrong? Hi Popcorn, Use the link posted just underneath the Before/After Preview images. Once you extract the contents of the zip folder, you will get this. |
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Post by pete61 on Mar 15, 2022 22:07:21 GMT
There's more ways than one in editing an image. So I thought I would try this: ⦁ took a screen shot of the jpg version & opened it in PS2022 ⦁ Adjusted white balance using eye dropper on white? shirt & wall ⦁ Tweaked the white settings in NIK CE4 White Neutralizer filter ⦁ Created a new stamped layer (Ctrl-Alt-Shift-E) on top of layer stack ⦁ Removed shadows on the walls behind the two fellows using the clone stamp tool set to current layer and below only. ⦁ Similarly removed the shadows on the upper right arm of the guitar player and on the bed under the chin of the boy. And the result is this: I believe making the stamped layer after adjusting the white balance solved the problem of preventing any unexpected return to earlier adjustments.  |
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Post by popcorn on Mar 16, 2022 10:26:52 GMT
Thank you Helen,
I am happy to give permission to edit my image. I would love to see what the others have done.
Helen, I herewith withdraw my disparaging remarks re "auto" solutions.
I used all the methods received on this thread and the most natural and representative result was obtained by using "Auto Color Correction"
which left a slight blue tint in the image, then using "adjust color" > Remove color Cast" once.
The whites were white, the skin tones were good and the green wall was the the correct hue. Took two minutes!!
Never again will I be an editing snob.
Regards & thank you all for your help.
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