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Post by Inspeqtor on Jul 30, 2022 6:56:22 GMT
Charles, as far as I know, DxO is another overall photo editor, including for raw images. I had downloaded it ages ago, but never used it. I love the Nik suite, but don't need a replacement for Photoshop! It looks like you've got all the products that are included in the Nik suite...they have some great tutorials on their website to help you learn: nikcollection.dxo.com/learn/progress/. There are also others who have tutorials. Colin Smith put together a good one when Nik5 came out, a couple of months ago. If you just need some quick questions answered, just post them here and I know we'll all be happy to help you.  One more thing...I did a final edit on one of your father's photos and added a sky. I forget to finish them off...I used to volunteer for 'Operation Photo Rescue' and restored photos damaged by storms. They insisted that we not make the photos look better than when it started...one of the reasons I dropped out of the program. It was counter-intuitive to me to not finish off a project. I guess their guidelines stuck with me more than I thought!!! Here's the photo: Vicki, I do like the sky you added! Very nice! Apparently I mis-understood what you were telling me. Going back and re-reading what you wrote before I now understand you used Photoshop for most of it. What confused me the most was this statement: "You couldn't manage without them" You now say you downloaded Nik ages ago but never used it?? |
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Post by Chris on Jul 30, 2022 14:44:28 GMT
Charles, thanks for sharing these historic images. Colour correction will be a problem because the colour emulsion layers in the slide film have faded in a disproportional way. This means that you can't do a global colour adjustment because if one part looks good, then the other parts will be off. I tried the AI Enhance/Colorise option but apart from the sky, the results were not impressive. I had limited success with a hue/Saturation adjustment and kept just the sky from the colorise feature. While there may be an AI feature that will work, the only other way to get good colour may be to manually colourise the picture. Kind regards Chris   |
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Post by hmca on Jul 30, 2022 14:56:17 GMT
I especially like the way you were able to bring back the original sky, Chris.
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Post by VickiD on Jul 30, 2022 17:12:16 GMT
I realize that not everyone has Nik plugins, but I couldn't manage without them! "You couldn't manage without them" You now say you downloaded Nik ages ago but never used it?? Charles, no...I use Nik all the time and have used it since 2005, when it was in its infancy. It's DxO that I don't use...I don't even have it installed on my new computer. Sorry for the confusion! |
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Post by pontiac1940 on Jul 30, 2022 17:24:46 GMT
First off, this whole discussion has been most interesting and enlightening. Thanks to all. There are some nice recoveries. Nice post Inspeqtor. Now, this is not meant to be critical ... just a very personal opinion. The sky replacements have been good, but in these photos, I don't think the skies should be replaced. Maybe it is just me. These are snippets of a moment in time (vs a scenery photo that would benefit from a new sky) and should be left that way. Just my opinion. Colour correction will be a problem because the colour emulsion layers in the slide film have faded in a disproportional way. This means that you can't do a global colour adjustment because if one part looks good, then the other parts will be off. Thanks for this Chris. I knew the colors had shifted but it never occurred to me that some color bands changed more (and perhaps differently) than others. Clive |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Jul 30, 2022 18:45:48 GMT
Charles, thanks for sharing these historic images. Colour correction will be a problem because the colour emulsion layers in the slide film have faded in a disproportional way. This means that you can't do a global colour adjustment because if one part looks good, then the other parts will be off. I tried the AI Enhance/Colorise option but apart from the sky, the results were not impressive. I had limited success with a hue/Saturation adjustment and kept just the sky from the colorise feature. While there may be an AI feature that will work, the only other way to get good colour may be to manually colourise the picture. Kind regards Chris As Helen said, you did improve the color of the sky, and I thank you for that!! Everything else you said is WAY above my head! I do not understand any of it. But I thank you for helping others on these tactics! |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Jul 30, 2022 18:49:26 GMT
I realize that not everyone has Nik plugins, but I couldn't manage without them! "You couldn't manage without them" You now say you downloaded Nik ages ago but never used it?? Charles, no...I use Nik all the time and have used it since 2005, when it was in its infancy. It's DxO that I don't use...I don't even have it installed on my new computer. Sorry for the confusion! Thank you for clearing up my confusion! So did you use any of the Nik features on my pictures you worked on? Do you remember which features you used or not?? |
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Post by Inspeqtor on Jul 30, 2022 18:54:16 GMT
First off, this whole discussion has been most interesting and enlightening. Thanks to all. There are some nice recoveries. Nice post Inspeqtor . Now, this is not meant to be critical ... just a very personal opinion. The sky replacements have been good, but in these photos, I don't think the skies should be replaced. Maybe it is just me. These are snippets of a moment in time (vs a scenery photo that would benefit from a new sky) and should be left that way. Just my opinion. Colour correction will be a problem because the colour emulsion layers in the slide film have faded in a disproportional way. This means that you can't do a global colour adjustment because if one part looks good, then the other parts will be off. Thanks for this Chris. I knew the colors had shifted but it never occurred to me that some color bands changed more (and perhaps differently) than others. Clive Clive, I am happy you have enjoyed this thread I started and have learned from it. Your points on replacing the sky or not replacing the sky are very good thoughts! Thank you for bringing that up! |
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Post by VickiD on Jul 30, 2022 19:04:37 GMT
Thank you for clearing up my confusion! So did you use any of the Nik features on my pictures you worked on? Do you remember which features you used or not?? Charles, yes, I mostly used Nik ColorEfex 5, as follows (after opening in CE5 from Photoshop): 1. Remove Color Cast (used slider to get it closer to what I perceived as the real colors); 2. Pro Contrast (used the slider here to remove even more of the color cast; used the contrast slider to adjust the contrast and the Boost to finish the Contrast; THEN used 3. Levels & Curves and created a reverse 'S' curve (lowered the top right, raised the bottom left, just a little) to even out the shadows and highlights. Then, clicked OK to go back to Photoshop with my changes and used Luminar Neo to replace the sky (using one that had clouds in the same places as the original). Nothing too fancy, just basic and not overly saturated. (You can use Elements or PS to replace the sky...I just like the job Luminar does better.) Let me know if something isn't clear. |
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Post by PeteB on Aug 1, 2022 12:56:38 GMT
Hi Inspector You have received some great suggestions and options for your slides. I have nothing to add, but after working on a slide, I decided to post my results. On that slide I had trouble with the sky and decided to leave it without color.  Regarding the Nik Collection, here is my interpretation … there has been some confusion about the Nik Collection because of its history. Briefly, Nik Software was created and sold in the 1990s. Google purchased the Nik software about 2012 and made it available for free, Then in 2017 DxO purchased from Google the Nik software. It is now owned and sold by DxO. The Nik Collection includes some very popular editing plugins including Color Efex and Silver Effects. In fact Silver Effects is considered one of the best black and white conversion software. PhotoLab 5 is not part of the Nik Collection. It is also available from DxO and is described as an alternative to Lightroom. DxO has other software available, notably DxO PureRaw. I love ColorEfex and SilverEfex and have only recently played with PhotoLab 5. Hope this helps and good luck with your slides |
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Post by BuckSkin on Aug 5, 2023 3:07:06 GMT
I seldom visit this section as I have very little to say that would be of any help; however, I did look through this thread on account of my interest in anything RxR. I am a year late and I hesitated to say anything; but, here is my take for what it is worth. To my eye, of all the images in this thread, this version is more true to the Allis-Chalmers Blue and Orange than any of the others. The Blue in almost all of the other examples is rendered as Black or nearly Black and the Orange is just not Allis=Chalmers Orange. Even at that, the Blue in this one could stand to be just a bit brighter; but, I have not compared it side-by-side with a true-to-color Allis-Chalmers example. As for the subject matter of the photos, regardless of image quality, it is great to get to see so many "Big Hooks" all in a single location. In one photo, I see just a bit of what may be a tracked lattice-boom crane; I wish he had gotten a shot of that as well. |
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