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Post by feysl on Oct 30, 2020 17:05:49 GMT
“I fear that you won't be able to use PSE 2021.”
It's not a problem Elements 21 is still working. |
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Post by Peterj on Oct 31, 2020 16:19:37 GMT
I have not yet removed CCDesktop; I would be very much surprised if you could remove the CC app without uninstalling PSE 2021 first. In the Adobe document referred to earlier in this thread . . . Uninstall the Creative Cloud desktop appAdobe says . . . As PSE 2021 makes use of this app, we are to infer that this warning also applies to it. And my guess is . . . when you reinstall PSE 2021, the CC app will reinstall as well. Apparently PSE 2021 does NOT make use of nor rely on CC Desktop. I followed the instructions found on Adobe's site and there were no ill effects to PSE 2021. Procedure used: * Launch PSE 2021 editor, open a raw file, close editor * Download removal file, extracted and run Note PSE 2021 remained installed
* Run CCleaner registry checker & reboot * Launch PSE 2021 editor, open a raw file, close editor * Launch PSE 2021 organizer, execute a full local backup successfully
Caveats: * Win 10 Pro
* No CC apps installed
* Organizer used only for images older than 2017 * My backups are all to local attached hard drives ... I don't use "the cloud" for backups
* Registry cleaner not required
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 31, 2020 16:49:58 GMT
Apparently PSE 2021 does NOT make use of nor rely on CC Desktop. I followed the instructions found on Adobe's site and there were no ill effects to PSE 2021. Pete, Thanks for testing those instructions! michelb and I couldn't do it because we both are CC subscribers. As you don't use the Organizer, it won't be a problem. However, I would strongly advise those who use the Organizer to think twice before doing this. As he explained, . . . The purpose of having it is to provide better backups (automatic backup on the cloud of the catalog structure and database) . . . See . . . Auto Backup and Restore Catalog Structure |
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Post by Peterj on Oct 31, 2020 18:02:18 GMT
As you don't use the Organizer, it won't be a problem. However, I would strongly advise those who use the Organizer to think twice before doing this.
I do use the Organizer for images 2015 and prior
* Launch PSE 2021 organizer, execute a full local backup successfully I tested Organizer with the catalog I have and did a complete backup images from year 2015 and prior. |
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 31, 2020 18:40:20 GMT
As you don't use the Organizer, it won't be a problem. However, I would strongly advise those who use the Organizer to think twice before doing this. I do use the Organizer for images 2015 and prior
I tested Organizer with the catalog I have and did a complete backup images from year 2015 and prior. Pete, sorry! I missed that you still use the Organizer (to a certain extent). BTW, I'm not surprised you were able to do a backup. I may be wrong (and, if I am, someone please correct me). Removing the CC app doesn't disable the Organizer backup feature. What it does is to disable the new feature in PSE 2021 -- Automatic backup of the catalog organization structure. This new feature enables you to schedule the frequency of the backups. By default, it happens when you leave the Organizer. You can set up your own frequency. Ex.: Once a week, once a month, etc. As a side note, automatic backup is one of the standard features in Lightroom. I guess Adobe just decided to "enhance" PSE 2021. |
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Post by michelb on Oct 31, 2020 18:59:08 GMT
Sepiana, Obviously I have no objection to the Creative Cloud App since I have Photoshop, Lightroom and Bridge. So, the real issue is with the two new features in PSE2021 which require using space in the Adobe Cloud. As we have both found out, the big issue and mystery is that updating to Windows 10 (2004) will totally disable one of those two features: the ability to save to the cloud, while the automatic backup of the catalog structure works well in the organizer. So, it's important to state which Win version our forum friends are using.
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 31, 2020 19:21:29 GMT
michelb, I don't have any objection to the CC app either. Like you, I have Photoshop, Lightroom, and Bridge. Yes, I quite agree. This is quite a mystery (especially the way this Windows 10 update (2004) affects different apps. PSE 2021 -- Save to the Cloud gone; automatic backup working. PS 2021 -- Save to the Cloud working. Lightroom (v.10) -- Automatic backup working.
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Post by Peterj on Oct 31, 2020 23:10:57 GMT
Removing the CC app doesn't disable the Organizer backup feature. What it does is to disable the new feature in PSE 2021 -- Automatic backup of the catalog organization structure. This new feature enables you to schedule the frequency of the backups. By default, it happens when you leave the Organizer. You can set up your own frequency. Ex.: Once a week, once a month, etc. As a side note, automatic backup is one of the standard features in Lightroom. I guess Adobe just decided to "enhance" PSE 2021. It seems that Automatic backup of the catalog organization structure is functional after CC Desktop was removed. In my case it appears that the function removed was save to cloud, but since I never saw that I cannot verify that it was ever present on my installation
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Post by Sepiana on Oct 31, 2020 23:36:11 GMT
It seems that Automatic backup of the catalog organization structure is functional after CC Desktop was removed. In my case it appears that the function removed was save to cloud, but since I never saw that I cannot verify that it was ever present on my installation Pete, that's really good news! Thanks for the feedback! As I said earlier, . . . I may be wrong (and, if I am, someone please correct me). As to Save to Cloud, I can verify. It was there before the Windows 10 Update (2004). I did test it and found my Elements photos next to the ones I had saved via Photoshop's Cloud feature. michelb and I are working together on this CC-app and PSE 2021 issue. But, as we both are CC subscribers, it is not easy. Hopefully other PSE 2021 users will come forward with their input. |
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 1, 2020 0:12:39 GMT
It seems that Automatic backup of the catalog organization structure is functional after CC Desktop was removed. I'm coming back here for a clarification. Did you test it? By default, it happens when you leave the Organizer. It would be easy to check if it is indeed still functional. |
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Post by Peterj on Nov 1, 2020 0:52:29 GMT
It seems that Automatic backup of the catalog organization structure is functional after CC Desktop was removed. I'm coming back here for a clarification. Did you test it? By default, it happens when you leave the Organizer. It would be easy to check if it is indeed still functional. I set this to one month ... I reset to on exit Selection is presented, however I have no way of knowing success
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 1, 2020 1:11:11 GMT
I set this to one month ... I reset to on exit Selection is presented, however I have no way of knowing success Thanks! This helps. It gives us one more variable to look into. |
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Post by Peterj on Nov 1, 2020 2:48:32 GMT
I set this to one month ... I reset to on exit Selection is presented, however I have no way of knowing success Thanks! This helps. It gives us one more variable to look into. Let me know the steps to validate success and I'll confirm for you |
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Post by michelb on Nov 1, 2020 14:50:06 GMT
Thanks! This helps. It gives us one more variable to look into. Let me know the steps to validate success and I'll confirm for you See my last discoveries:
To be clear, what did not work was the 'save to the cloud' option, the automatic backup of the catalog structure did always work for me. It seems that the new options were not shown in the interface (home screen and editor) in the situation where the sign in/sign out help choice were abnormally greyed out.
I want to give my personal advice about the novelty of allowing poor PSE users to take some advantage of the Cloud space offered to subscribers of other Adobe apps.
1 - the automatic backup of the catalog folder will save many users from disasters because it's automatic and well implemented. Of course, it was available and easy to copy the catalog folder somewhere else at the end of the session, in OneDrive, Dropbox or anywhere else. But how many did that? There are also enough warnings that this does not backup the media files (like in Lightroom). A big plus.
2 - The 'save to the cloud' option may not seen as a big advantage offered by Adobe (it's 2 GB max if I am not wrong). However it makes sharing on other devices or with other users much easier than using accessory services like Dropbox. Particularly, the 'mail' connection is much easier and safer than trying to use Gmail for instance. The real question for the future is if Adobe will offer paying options for more Cloud space. As I don't believe in the risk of Elements being changed to a subscription model (Adobe marketers do perfectly know that it would be suicidal) I can imagine a bundle with the Lightroom Cloud subscription for more available space. Time will tell.
3 - I can't leave alone the advantage of the creative Cloud which offers Bridge for free, which is little known. Even if I am in favor of database solutions like the organizer or LR library, Bridge has strong advantages for many (metadata handling) and as a browser, it is preferred by many users.
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Post by Peterj on Nov 1, 2020 17:42:45 GMT
To be clear, what did not work was the 'save to the cloud' option, the automatic backup of the catalog structure did always work for me. It seems that the new options were not shown in the interface (home screen and editor) in the situation where the sign in/sign out help choice were abnormally greyed out.
I want to give my personal advice about the novelty of allowing poor PSE users to take some advantage of the Cloud space offered to subscribers of other Adobe apps.
1 - the automatic backup of the catalog folder will save many users from disasters because it's automatic and well implemented. Of course, it was available and easy to copy the catalog folder somewhere else at the end of the session, in OneDrive, Dropbox or anywhere else. But how many did that? There are also enough warnings that this does not backup the media files (like in Lightroom). A big plus.
2 - The 'save to the cloud' option may not seen as a big advantage offered by Adobe (it's 2 GB max if I am not wrong). However it makes sharing on other devices or with other users much easier than using accessory services like Dropbox. Particularly, the 'mail' connection is much easier and safer than trying to use Gmail for instance. The real question for the future is if Adobe will offer paying options for more Cloud space. As I don't believe in the risk of Elements being changed to a subscription model (Adobe marketers do perfectly know that it would be suicidal) I can imagine a bundle with the Lightroom Cloud subscription for more available space. Time will tell.
3 - I can't leave alone the advantage of the creative Cloud which offers Bridge for free, which is little known. Even if I am in favor of database solutions like the organizer or LR library, Bridge has strong advantages for many (metadata handling) and as a browser, it is preferred by many users.
Thank You!
Creative Cloud Desktop is certainly a good addition for folks who use PSE as their main post processing tool.
For my situation PSE is a secondary tool.
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