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Post by Tpgettys on Nov 27, 2016 17:10:31 GMT
I'm not saying something like CCleaner will guarantee fixing your problem but I believe it will have a good chance of at least helping. I did run CCleaner, and in so doing remembered why I abandoned it long ago; it "cleans" why too much! So many innocent settings purged. |
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 27, 2016 17:52:12 GMT
Did you inspect the batch file to see what it did? I just remembered your question and looked at the BAT file. Among other things it creates a bunch of shortcuts to the Topaz Plugins where they do NOT belong (in the folder C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\Elements 15). Once I got rid of them it again loads quickly again! Thank you SO much for the poke in the right direction! Mystery solved! Now to see if I can get my plugins added back in.
Glad to hear the problem was solved.
That's really weird. In the case of Elements, the only plug-in which is supposed to be installed at the end of that path is the Camera Raw plug-in.
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\Elements 15\File Formats\CameraRaw.8bi
I am not familiar with the Topaz BAT file you used. Do they have two files? One for Photoshop CC and one for Elements? It looks like the Topaz BAT file you ran was designed for Photoshop CC and not for Elements. If you have Photoshop CC, that's the way it is supposed to work. This is a change implemented by Adobe. It is called the Shared Creative Cloud Location. This location is designed to load a plug-in to be used for all versions of Photoshop CC you have installed on your computer (and including future versions of this program when they are released) without you needing to reinstall the plug-in.
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\CC\ . . .
I believe this does indeed explain why Elements kept stalling, scanning for plug-ins. It seems to have "detected" the Topaz plug-ins in that folder. They should not have been there. This caused Elements to be "confused".
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Post by Tpgettys on Nov 27, 2016 18:00:37 GMT
I believe this does indeed explain why Elements kept stalling, scanning for plug-ins. It seems to have "detected" the Topaz plug-ins in that folder. They should not have been there. This caused Elements to be "confused". Yep, very confused! The "utility" (Topaz_Labs_Photoshop_Utility_for_Windows_1.2.0.zip) is actually a collection of batch files; it is up to the user to select the one associated with their product; it is a *very* brittle implementation. It contains files for PSE 12-15 and PSCC 14-17, etc. |
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Post by Sepiana on Nov 27, 2016 18:22:36 GMT
Yep, very confused! The "utility" (Topaz_Labs_Photoshop_Utility_for_Windows_1.2.0.zip) is actually a collection of batch files; it is up to the user to select the one associated with their product; it is a *very* brittle implementation. It contains files for PSE 12-15 and PSCC 14-17, etc.
I got curious. I downloaded that utility to check its contents. Yes, if you select the wrong file to run, this will definitely create a problem. However, it looks very clear to me; the files are clearly identified. Also, it is a very effective design -- all in one place. All you have to do is select the file for your version of Elements (or Photoshop), right-click on it, and run it as administrator. I have multiple versions of Photoshop CC and of Elements. This would work great for me.
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Post by Tpgettys on Nov 27, 2016 18:31:16 GMT
I got curious. I downloaded that utility to check its contents. Yes, if you select the wrong file to run, this will definitely create a problem. However, it looks very clear to me; the files are clearly identified. Also, it is a very effective design -- all in one place. All you have to do is select the file for your version of Elements (or Photoshop), right-click on it, and run it as administrator. I have multiple versions of Photoshop CC and of Elements. This would work great for me. If you just look at the batch file for PSE15 you will see that it creates shortcuts in the wrong folder. Deleting those shortcuts fixed the problem. I just completed downloading and installing my Topaz plug-ins. They all again run from within PSE15. The installation process created shortcuts in the Photoshop Elements 15 Plug-ins folder as they should. I note in passing that not all of the plugin files themselves were deposited in Program Files\Topaz Labs; Clean, Detail and Restyle were deposited in Program Files (x86)\Topaz Labs. |
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Post by Major Major on Nov 27, 2016 19:54:45 GMT
Excellent news. Glad my question helped you track down the culprit. Carry on!
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Post by deprosq on Nov 27, 2016 21:34:38 GMT
I'm not saying something like CCleaner will guarantee fixing your problem but I believe it will have a good chance of at least helping. I did run CCleaner, and in so doing remembered why I abandoned it long ago; it "cleans" why too much! So many innocent settings purged. hmmmm...that is very unusual. CCleaner is one of the more accepted and widely used cleaners. I have been using it for years now every time I uninstall something and have never had any problems afterwards. I also backup my registry, as best practice suggests, before running ccleaner. Hopefully you did as well and it will have taken you no more than a few of minutes to restore your old registry. What were the "innocent" settings purged and how did they affect the running of your computer or other applications? |
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Post by Major Major on Nov 27, 2016 21:56:28 GMT
I note in passing that not all of the plugin files themselves were deposited in Program Files\Topaz Labs; Clean, Detail and Restyle were deposited in Program Files (x86)\Topaz Lab Yup - the difference between 64-bit (the former) and 32-bit (the latter) plug-ins. |
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Post by Sydney on Nov 27, 2016 23:44:54 GMT
Great sleuthing Major in helping Tom to resolve his issue. Good to see that others joined in the cause as well - great team effort!
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