The Fence

Thinking back to EV, many people submitted pictures, and asked for comments and suggestions to improve the quality of their picture processing, as we are all varying degrees of amateurs, and constructive criticism is really to our advantage, and we can learn from it.  I remember a few years back in EV a lady had a beautiful creation with comments, that had a glaring spelling error, and I pm'd her, and told her, and she was most appreciative, as she was having it printed, and she missed the mistake, as well as the proof reader!  Letting her know this, saved her several dollars.

 

Oh boy it seems my images and Bokeh have certainly generated some discussion so this is going to be a long reply.

First let me say thank you to everyone who commented on them be it a critique or just to say they like it.

I have no problem with anyone critiquing my images or offering a different perspective, my ego is not that fragile and I have confidence in my own work for it not to bother me and have long took the advice that I always offer others....Off a critique take the useful parts you agree with and apply them and discard the parts you disagree with, this is how you grow as a photographer.

Saying that I reserve the right to say and give my reasons if I do not agree with a critique, it's a double edged sword.

As to Bokek manipulating my image I would not normally have a problem with it, but as I posted it for members of this forum to see his statement 
This bother me and if he has posted it somewhere else where is it and has he credited me with it..perhaps he would care to clarify and point me in the direction of this posting?

As to the rest regarding editing others images without permission, usually it is either in the rules or there are separate forums for them like at few of my forums where you have a show your photos section and a for critique one. I would point out that in this case you will  find you usually get very few in the critique section and you have boatloads in the show your work section and you may wish to bear this in mind as to much constant and heavy critique will deter some people (not me) from posting in your show your work section and very few myself included post to the gallery section. 

The best way to my mind that deals with this is the one where permission is given or denied in your posting avitar box like this.


As it stands at the moment with no clarity on the matter then in my opinion it is good manners to ask first. These are just my opinions and feelings on the matter others may feel differently.

Now onto my replies to the critiques.



Thank you Alex, I of course could reply that this is how the image was and anyone knowing the area would say it is not a true representation of the place or scene..of course as I am died in the wool pictorialist/artistic photographer then that is complete bull@&*t.    And you are perfectly correct and thank you for pointing it out I shall see how it looks with them edited out.



Thanks for commenting but I do get the feeling you are looking for faults by your wording  

 It is a bird but a spec of dust is a fault a bird in the sky is not I was going to say better to have said a spec of dust or possibly a bird that after resizing looks like a dust spot but I see after someone pointed it out they saw a bird you changed your wording after. And yes it was a oversight on my part after resizing, but after saying that on my monitor at the size I posted I can see the shape of the wings so maybe I and Bala just have better monitors but yes it should be cloned out as I do not know the resolution of people monitors viewing it.

I fully agree with the crop.

Oh but the colour balance of your edit is to my eyes awful, you now have warm purply tone in the mist which my image had but now has a limey green tint to the sunrise colours.

Which brings me to my pet view on colour temperature.

Do you know that human beings are not capable of seeing true colour temperature? That is why we have machines capable of reading colour temperature like colour temp meters.

Our eyes see it but our brain processes it wrong because from a early age we are taught that a certain colour looks like this, we are not taught that white at midday looks like this and white  in a evening sunset looks like this and white under a cold blue winters sky looks like this. So our brain filters out this colour casts our eyes see, just like the eyedropper tool in the colour balance filter makes whites and greys a midday white or grey.

We see a sunset sky with saturated red and oranges but do not see that reflected in a white shirt or green grass our perception is altered from reality we are basically flawed when it comes to seeing colour temperature which is why in those image taken in the warm light of early morning or evening I try to show the true colour temperature with it's colour caste which in my eyes is more beautiful than the distorted view filtered by our brains we actually see, so you see i am actually righting a wrong.

My guess is animals see true colour temperature because no one has told them what it should look like. Another pet theory of mine is animal migration by season and temperature and if so why then when we have late winter why do they still migrate when the temp has not dropped? perhaps they see seasonal colour temperature which triggers their migration...anyway I digress and say thank you to eveyone.

Hi crafteysnapper,

regarding colour temperature and how images look on a screen, basically no two screens will display an image the same because we have no control over how peoples' screens are configured in relation to brightness, contrast, saturation hues etc.

Because I make a lot of prints from my images I calibrate my screen regularly and have made custom profiles for my printer.  Therefore any given image will look differently on my screen when compared to an uncalibrated screen.  I have no idea if your screen is calibrated or not.

But in any case, this issue is now moot.  I did not intend to upset anyone on this forum but a couple of things have happened on this forum since this morning which I am not happy about and I have pm'd tpgettys and the member concerned informing them on what I will be doing.

As a consequence I have informed tpgettys that I now feel this forum is no longer a type of forum I want to be a member of, so this is my last post.

Good luck and best wishes with your photography

I'm sorry that my respond to bokeh made such a discussion.
I stated my (personal) opinion about editing others pictures.
I also questioned his intimation about posting Paul's picture on other sites.

I'm not starting a new discussion.. just clarifying my thoughts.

Paul I'm sorry that I disturbed your thread.
I have never experienced something like this before, I hope noone thinks that I had in mind to start "a war" of some kind.

My suggestion about the matter in question, is either to tell that you want your picture to be edited, or to make a separate section to post in.

Well said Crafteysnapper!!  But did you know you spelled the very last word wrong   Sorry, to quote the old Flip Wilson show "The devil made me do it"!!