craftysnapper
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Post by craftysnapper on May 30, 2015 9:05:26 GMT
Taken at a local lake early morning which the nearness of allows me to quickly get down there if conditions are right. Taken at different times and veiwpoints   |
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alexr
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Post by alexr on May 30, 2015 9:58:34 GMT
Paul, two great images of dreamy gorgeousness. Love them both. Could the first be improved slightly by removing the pylons, though?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 10:08:55 GMT
Hi crafteysnapper,
Two very nice scenes and the first one of the sunrise taken at the start of the golden hour 
But I suspect you applied some effect/edits to get the colours/mood you wanted. They are well done but the first photo is spoilt a bit, imho, by that annoying speck of dust on your lens about a third of the way in from the left and about an eighth of the way down from the top. It sticks out like a sore thumb. At first I thought it was on my screen but when I moved your photo around, the speck moved with it.
A simple and quick click of the healing brush will get rid of that speck of dust.
I know photography is an art to a large extent and open to interpretation and personal taste, but for me the first photo is too red for me. It's almost like there is a bushfire burning nearby giving off a reddish haze.
Just out of curiosity to see what it would look like, I have taken out some of the red cast and made the scene cooler (temperature wise) which for me has a more calming affect when I look at it. I also removed some of the noise/graininess, to enhance the fogginess of the scene, and recropped to put the sun at one of the intersection points of the Rule of Thirds which I often use when cropping.
Anyway, fwiw, this is my interpretation of the very inviting scene you captured - minus the speck of dust 
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Madame
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Post by Madame on May 30, 2015 10:23:13 GMT
Paul the pictures are beautiful!
I don't view them zoomed in, so I wouldn't see any dust spot. But in my opinion the colors are just gorgeous!
Bokeh, I don't like that you are editing others pictures when it's not asked for!
I don't think it's allowed?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 10:40:29 GMT
Paul the pictures are beautiful! I don't view them zoomed in, so I wouldn't see any dust spot. But in my opinion the colors are just gorgeous! Bokeh, I don't like that you are editing others pictures when it's not asked for! I don't think it's allowed?
Hi Madame,
I didn't zoom in to see the speck of dust. It's there on the original image in the post at the location I described in my last post.
Maybe reposting edited images is not allowed. I don't know and probably should have checked.
But given you can't stop anyone from taking copies of images from the Internet I'm not sure what the harm is in reposting edited interpretations as long as you don't claim the originals as your own.
But if reposting edited versions is not allowed then I am sure one of the moderators will remove my images.
Sorry for upsetting you, but if it turns out that reposting edited versions, for constructive purposes, is allowed then one option you have is to put me on your banned list so that my posts won't appear when you view a thread I have posted in.
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Madame
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Post by Madame on May 30, 2015 11:30:57 GMT
I'm sure one of the moderator can point in the right directions regarding the rules. As for the spots, it's perhaps my glasses or the screen? |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 11:40:46 GMT
That's no problem. I'm sure you are aware that it is allowed on some other sites, so I can just do it there and not upset anyone here. Like I said, you can't stop anyone from taking copies of images on the Internet as long as they credit the owner if republished somewhere and don't claim them as their own. I know the spot is there because if you look at the enlargement of my interpretation of craftysnapper's photo you will see it's gone as I removed it using the healing brush tool. Others, not on this web site, have also noticed the speck on the photo. If you can't see it, that's fine. I have no problem with that |
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Post by BuckSkin on May 30, 2015 13:44:37 GMT
Very nice images; thanks for making available these interesting scenes. What kind are the big birds sitting on the posts ? In both images, it appears that you had a somewhat higher vantage point that makes these images more interesting than if they were captured closer to water level. I would enjoy seeing these same locations captured in daylight. Very good work as always. |
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Post by Tpgettys on May 30, 2015 19:11:44 GMT
Hi all. Those are quite nice images Paul; I especially like the moodiness of the 2nd one!
Marianne, I was distressed to hear you are upset. As to the rules, we are very much in the process of figuring all that out. These situations provide the identification and stimulus for discussion about issues needing guidelines, so it is greatly appreciated that you spoke up about your reaction!
For now, the way *I* look at it, the purpose of sharing an image in Show Your Work is to solicit creative criticism and engage is a discussion about the fine points of design, framing, etc. If that isn't what is wanted, images should be shared in the user's gallery, not here.
bokeh offering his creative criticism and post-processing-by-example strikes me as very much in the spirit of Show Your Work. These are difficult things to navigate, as feelings can easily be hurt if criticism is not carefully worded, but it can also be enormously helpful if done in a respectful and professional way. I hope we can find ways to do this so everyone feels safe and respected.
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Post by chesney on May 30, 2015 21:05:13 GMT
Love both of those...you captured the moodiness in both wonderfully!
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Post by Jancy on May 30, 2015 22:00:18 GMT
They are both stunning. You take beautiful and wonderful photos!
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Post by Bayla on May 30, 2015 22:38:35 GMT
They are well done but the first photo is spoilt a bit, imho, by that annoying speck of dust on your lens about a third of the way in from the left and about an eighth of the way down from the top. It sticks out like a sore thumb. And I thought it was a bird way up in the clouds!! Bayla |
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Post by Bayla on May 30, 2015 22:51:30 GMT
Hi all. Those are quite nice images Paul; I especially like the moodiness of the 2nd one! Marianne, I was distressed to hear you are upset. As to the rules, we are very much in the process of figuring all that out. These situations provide the identification and stimulus for discussion about issues needing guidelines, so it is greatly appreciated that you spoke up about your reaction! For now, the way *I* look at it, the purpose of sharing an image in Show Your Work is to solicit creative criticism and engage is a discussion about the fine points of design, framing, etc. If that isn't what is wanted, images should be shared in the user's gallery, not here. bokeh offering his creative criticism and post-processing-by-example strikes me as very much in the spirit of Show Your Work. These are difficult things to navigate, as feelings can easily be hurt if criticism is not carefully worded, but it can also be enormously helpful if done in a respectful and professional way. I hope we can find ways to do this so everyone feels safe and respected. Personally I feel that unless a critique is requested then people should steer clear of it. I once had the temerity in the early days of the PET forum (pre Elements Village) to point out a glaring spelling mistake on a scrapbook page that someone posted and the OP was very upset & came back at me quite vehemently, so since then I have never felt happy criticising someone's work. I have already had one person criticise & post an altered version one of my images in Photo Theme which is supposed to be a fun thread (although I noticed that he is now a deleted member (self deleted or otherwise?) This is not a forum aimed at professional photographers, there are plenty of forums out there for people who want to have their work critiqued and who are quite willing to give their opinions. I think if there is too much criticism then members may be put off from sharing their work. Just my two pennyworth. Bayla |
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Post by BuckSkin on May 30, 2015 23:06:51 GMT
Hi all. Those are quite nice images Paul; I especially like the moodiness of the 2nd one! Marianne, I was distressed to hear you are upset. As to the rules, we are very much in the process of figuring all that out. These situations provide the identification and stimulus for discussion about issues needing guidelines, so it is greatly appreciated that you spoke up about your reaction! For now, the way *I* look at it, the purpose of sharing an image in Show Your Work is to solicit creative criticism and engage is a discussion about the fine points of design, framing, etc. If that isn't what is wanted, images should be shared in the user's gallery, not here. bokeh offering his creative criticism and post-processing-by-example strikes me as very much in the spirit of Show Your Work. These are difficult things to navigate, as feelings can easily be hurt if criticism is not carefully worded, but it can also be enormously helpful if done in a respectful and professional way. I hope we can find ways to do this so everyone feels safe and respected. Personally I feel that unless a critique is requested then people should steer clear of it. I once had the temerity in the early days of the PET forum (pre Elements Village) to point out a glaring spelling mistake on a scrapbook page that someone posted and the OP was very upset & came back at me quite vehemently, so since then I have never felt happy criticising someone's work. I have already had one person criticise & post an altered version one of my images in Photo Theme which is supposed to be a fun thread (although I noticed that he is now a deleted member (self deleted or otherwise?) This is not a forum aimed at professional photographers, there are plenty of forums out there for people who want to have their work critiqued and who are quite willing to give their opinions. I think if there is too much criticism then members may be put off from sharing their work. Just my two pennyworth. Bayla My thoughts exactly.
My poor old granny used to say "if you ain't got nothin' good to say, it's best to just keep yer mouth shet"
I, too, made the mistake of pointing out an obviously misspelled word in a lengthy informative caption attached to an image on another forum; it was not appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 23:24:45 GMT
They are well done but the first photo is spoilt a bit, imho, by that annoying speck of dust on your lens about a third of the way in from the left and about an eighth of the way down from the top. It sticks out like a sore thumb. And I thought it was a bird way up in the clouds!! Bayla
Hi Bayla. I thought that might be a possibility as well but without seeing the original image file it's impossible to tell for sure whether it is a speck of dust or maybe something legitimate.
In any case, since it is not clear what it is in a compressed image (~1000px) like the one posted by craftysnapper, imho, it is better to remove it, for the sake of clarity, for web display. In the web image it's basically a blob which potentially draws the viewers eyes away from the subject of the photo.
In another thread I commented on why I believe evaluating an image is best done when viewing a large size print of it, so I won't repeat it here. Suffice to say that on a large size high resolution print of the original image, the "speck of dust" might actually be seen as a distant bird, or maybe not. So the point I am making is that when compressing images for web display, you definitely loose at least some of the fine details in a photo and maybe it is a good idea to quickly look over a compressed image for details that are no longer clear and delete them so that they do not become a distraction to the viewer like in this case.
On the issue of offering constructive criticism, which is what I tried to do earlier, my interpretation of the purpose of this thread is exactly as tpgettys described earlier.
I agree 100%.
I accept no-one likes non-helpful criticism - believe it or not, not even I . But I try to give my reasons why something doesn't appeal to me and I try to offer alternatives, often by example, to provide food for thought and not just blunt criticism.
If only praise comments were allowed in a thread like this then you would effectively be applying censorship against those wishing to offer opposing comments in a constructive way. So to be fair to everyone, a thread like this one needs to ban all comments from being posted or allow all comments (praise and/or constructive criticism). Obviously the moderators would need to be vigilant to ensure comments are constructive and not offensive.
If my posts, or anyone else's for that matter, offend anyone the quick and simple solution is to add me or the offending member to your banned list (in your profile somewhere) so that posts from those banned members won't appear when you visit a thread which contains posts from those banned members.
See you all somewhere in the soup
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